anghraine: darcy and elizabeth after the second proposal in the 1979 p&p (darcy and elizabeth [proposal])
I know it’s not news that I love my OTP, but also, I love my OTP:

Elizabeth:

“What does Mr Darcy mean,” said she to Charlotte, “by listening to my conversation with Colonel Forster?”

“That is a question which Mr Darcy only can answer.”

“But if he does it any more I shall certainly let him know that I see what he is about. He has a very satirical eye, and if I do not begin by being impertinent myself, I shall soon grow afraid of him.”


Darcy:

“Indeed, Mr Darcy, it is very ungenerous in you to mention all that you knew to my disadvantage in Hertfordshire—and, give me leave to say, very impolitic too—for it is provoking me to retaliate, and such things may come out as will shock your relations to hear.”

I am not afraid of you,” said he smilingly.

<3 <3

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Today in my failboat OTP: Darcy edition!

He began to wish to know more of her, and as a step towards conversing with her himself, attended to her conversation with others.

kj;asdfjkd;fa he’s almost/actually twenty-eight years old and has to work himself up into talking to his crush

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anghraine: darcy kissing elizabeth's hand after their engagement in "austen's pride" (darcy and elizabeth (engagement))
I reblogged a post about the feeling of squee (not their word, lol) when half of a pairing touches the other half's face and the second person leans into it, and I added:

#i saw the picture of this in austen's pride and my heart nearly stopped
anghraine: a screenshot of georgiana darcy looking serious in the 1980 p&p miniseries (georgiana)
Almost a year later, I updated tolerably well acquainted (the canon-compliant fic that follows Elizabeth from her time at Pemberley onwards):

“And till Colonel Forster came himself, not one of you entertained a doubt, I suppose, of their being really married?”

“How was it possible that such an idea should enter our brains! I felt a little uneasy—a little fearful of my sister’s happiness with him in marriage, because I knew that his conduct had not been always quite right.”

Not quite right, indeed! For a moment, Elizabeth thought of Miss Darcy’s anguish at so much as a mention of Wickham’s regiment, and how Darcy had looked—first wary and then—

With a shake of her head, she returned her attention to Jane. Georgiana Darcy was safe and likely contented enough at Pemberley; the same could not be said for Lydia or their family.

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anghraine: elizabeth singing beneath darcy's portrait in "austen's pride" (elizabeth (the portrait song ii))
Sometimes she [Elizabeth] could fancy that he [Bingley] talked less than on former occasions, and once or twice pleased herself with the notion that as he looked at her, he was trying to trace a resemblance [to Jane].

Meanwhile, back at Rosings:

after examining the mother [Lady Catherine], in whose countenance and deportment she [Elizabeth] soon found some resemblance of Mr Darcy …

*whistles*

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In response to this post, [personal profile] jubaah said:

I LOVE THIS…. ELIZABEEEEETH

I replied:

haha, amazing, right?
anghraine: elizabeth bennet from "austen's pride," singing her half of "the portrait song" (elizabeth (the portrait song))
Speaking of passages in P&P that encapsulate character, this one very much represents early Elizabeth to me:

Mr Darcy smiled; but Elizabeth thought she could perceive that he was rather offended, and therefore checked her laugh.

All that unambiguously happens is that Darcy smiles and Elizabeth opts not to laugh. But Elizabeth’s interpretation is laced with so many qualifications that I think we’re pretty much invited to question it. It’s possible that she’s right! But it is also entirely possible from this description that she’s misinterpreting his smile (one of many, as she’ll recall much later) and projecting her expectations onto him. I’m inclined to go with the latter, in part because IMO the construction of the passage throws her conclusion into doubt, and in part because it fits her character arc.

However, what her judgment actually leads her to do is not to further attack Darcy, but to courteously refrain from doing so even though she dislikes him. I think that people don’t always appreciate the extent of Elizabeth’s everyday courtesy, and how intensely she prizes courtesy in others. And while she gets it mixed up with flattery in others’ behaviour towards her, she herself is no flatterer (as she points out at the end!), just a very polite and considerate person.

That’s why lack of consideration is the core of her problem with Darcy, and why a) Mrs Reynolds’s account of his usual behaviour and b) his altered behaviour wrt Elizabeth/the Gardiners specifically weigh so much with her.

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“I do, I do like him,” she replied, with tears in her eyes; “I love him. Indeed he has no improper pride. He is perfectly amiable. You do not know what he really is; then pray do not pain me by speaking of him in such terms.”

“Lizzy,” said her father, “I have given him my consent. He is the kind of man, indeed, to whom I should never dare refuse anything which he condescended to ask. I now give it to you, if you are resolved on having him. But let me advise you to think better of it. I know your disposition, Lizzy. I know that you could be neither happy nor respectable unless you truly esteemed your husband—unless you looked up to him as a superior. Your lively talents would place you in the greatest danger in an unequal marriage.”

There’s a lot going on in many P&P (and Austen) passages, but this one is always just … wait, wait, what? Like:
  1. Elizabeth explicitly says she loves Darcy and gets upset at hearing him wrongly criticized (<3)
  2. Mr Bennet is, apparently, too intimidated by Darcy to personally refuse his consent, but
  3. He wants Elizabeth to retract her acceptance, because
  4. He thinks Elizabeth needs to look up to her husband as her superior (!!!!) to be happy and “respectable” (suggesting she might make very questionable choices in marriage otherwise), and
  5. He follows this up with his fear for her in an unequal marriage, implying that Elizabeth’s marriage will be unequal if she isn’t married to a man superior to her (I’d like “what is equality” for 100, Alex)
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anghraine: elizabeth accepting darcy's proposal in "austen's pride" (darcy and elizabeth (austen's pride))
An anon said:

So I've been having a P&P glut recently. I've loved your E/D commentary, It's especially nice to see their similarities being discussed rather than romanticising pairings with opposing characteristics (which I often find sits somewhere between being naïve & deeply unhealthy). Also when re-reading about E's visit to Pemberley it struck me that she has: 1) a inner snobby streak for good taste - like a certain somebody else & 2) a serious competence kink she didn't know she had.

I replied:

I feel you on the P&P glut, haha. And thank you!

I took an Austen seminar during my MA where my prof/advisor was super emphatic about Darcy and Elizabeth’s similarities, and while I already thought about them that way, it definitely reinforced my sense of an underlying affinity (that I think is part of the reason they overreact to each other).

That’s part of the reason that it’s so important, I feel, to avoid the natural Darcy=pride, Elizabeth=prejudice, when pride is so persistently present in both of their characters and in their relationship to each other (at all stages! one of my favourite moments is when Elizabeth’s response to discovering the extent of Darcy’s heroism is pride). I wrote a paper on it for that same class, actually—a lot of criticism traditionally aligns Elizabeth with one end of some binary and Darcy with another, and while the assignments often make no sense anyway, the whole underlying concept of a basic binary opposition is super problematic with them. They have many differences, of course, but that doesn’t make them polar opposites.

Anyway, those are good points! I think it’s interesting that they’re so overlooked in the preoccupation with whether Elizabeth marries Darcy for his money or not, a question which makes zero sense in the context of what actually impresses her at Pemberley. Those are a) his taste and b) his effective use of power.

She cares very much more about how elegant and tasteful Pemberley is than how much money it brings in (with the revelation of her and Darcy’s shared aesthetic tastes suggesting a deeper rapport). And if people are going to see Elizabeth’s interest in Darcy as self-interested rather than romantic, then it would make more sense to see Elizabeth as attracted to his power and use of it rather than, again, simple wealth. Of course, that leaves out the impact of how scrupulous his use of power is, and that she explicitly says she loves him.

anghraine: darcy and elizabeth after the second proposal in the 1979 p&p (darcy and elizabeth [proposal])
I reblogged the result of some Photoshop fiddling in Oct 2018:




A post for my dreadnought carrier of a ship, fave of all my faves, OTP to rule them all—

Her liking Darcy and Elizabeth is enough, she might hate all the others if she would.

—Jane Austen, 1813

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anghraine: a painting of a man c. 1800 with a book and a pen; the words love, pride, and delicacy in the upper corner (darcy (love)
I’ve been thinking about P&P as usual, and I really feel the moment that most represents early Darcy to me is this:

He wisely resolved to be particularly careful that no sign of admiration should now escape him, nothing that could elevate her with the hope of influencing his felicity.

That is: he assumes that of course she’d be enthusiastic if she knew he was interested, because lol who wouldn’t, so it’d be inappropriate to let her imagine he’s thinking of marriage when he (obviously!) can’t marry her. It combines “I am such a good catch that any woman would be eager to have me” and “she is far beneath me” and “leading her on would be Wrong” all at once.

The thing I find interesting is how smoothly they all bleed together here, to the point that he can’t even really disentangle them. And yet, of course, part of this is coming from principle (wrt women specifically, in this case) and part of it from sheer snobbish arrogance, and those are really quite different things.

I do think part of his development is … well, Austen imagined pride as always part of Darcy’s character, and I definitely agree. He becomes less snobbish, in particular, as seen in his relationship with the Gardiners (it’s a pity that it’s so overlooked, because I think that it, even more than his relationship with Elizabeth herself, is where we see the most change). But he’s still a proud man in many ways, and I think that part of his character development is less abandoning pride than separating it out from principle, which he very explicitly does at the end.
anghraine: elizabeth accepting darcy's proposal in "austen's pride" (darcy and elizabeth (austen's pride))
In response to this post, kungfunurse said:

That sounds super fun - where can I find that to listen to?

I replied:

https://youtu.be/B1eTVI7oScw

And [personal profile] elperian said:

the only p&p I know you to love unequivocally is the original :P

I replied:

this is very true

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anghraine: elizabeth and darcy responding to their engagement in "austen's pride" (darcy and elizabeth (proposal))
I’ve been listening to Austen’s Pride again, since I’m in a P&P mood and it’s very soothing, and … “The Portrait Song” has its flaws (~SO MUCH PAAAAIN), but it includes the line “the way you used to smile at me” and ahhh ALL IS FORGIVEN

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A little P&P detail that I find endlessly amusing:

More than once did Elizabeth, in her ramble within the Park, unexpectedly meet Mr Darcy. She felt all the perverseness of the mischance that should bring him where no one else was brought, and, to prevent its ever happening again, took care to inform him at first that it was a favourite haunt of hers. How it could occur a second time, therefore, was very odd! Yet it did, and even a third. It seemed like wilful ill-nature, or a voluntary penance, for on these occasions it was not merely a few formal enquiries and an awkward pause and then away, but he actually thought it necessary to turn back and walk with her.

afdk;jadfjk;a Elizabeth

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[ETA 2/14/2022: I'm also amused that this has nearly 1500 notes on Tumblr.]

anghraine: elizabeth accepting darcy's proposal in "austen's pride" (darcy and elizabeth (austen's pride))
In response to this post, [personal profile] elperian said:

this is a very relateable characteristic that I’ve never seen drawn out for darcy before. it’s interesting in that it’s the flip-side (the…MIRROR?!) of elizabeth’s perspective, which is framed in contrast with jane’s well wishing. it’s also fun to think that elizabeth finds in darcy something she values in jane.

I replied:

Right! After Elizabeth receives the letter, she realizes that her self-indulgence is “useless or blameable distrust” that led to her misjudgment of Wickham’s and Darcy’s general characters. It’s similar to how Darcy initially comes across and is in the habit of being, but I think ultimately forms a neat contrast(mirror!!) to his basic inclinations. Those are probably why he’s wrong about Jane’s feelings bc (IMO) he sees what he wants to see in them, but rightly respects her general character, as Jane does his.

I suspect this is part of the reason that, in Elizabeth’s rumination about what she and Darcy would offer each other in marriage, she thinks she’d gain the benefit of his “judgment.” Otherwise this could be a somewhat puzzling thought, but it makes sense in this context, I think.

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anghraine: darcy and elizabeth after the second proposal in the 1979 p&p (darcy and elizabeth [proposal])
OTP character growth!

Darcy and Elizabeth, Ch 31:

“I cannot catch their tone of conversation, or appear interested in their concerns, as I often see done.”
 
“My fingers,” said Elizabeth, “do not move over this instrument in the masterly manner which I see so many women’s do. They have not the same force or rapidity, and do not produce the same expression. But then I have always supposed it to be my own fault—because I would not take the trouble of practising.”

Ch 61:

Elizabeth did all she could to shield him [Darcy] from the frequent notice of either [Mrs Bennet or Mrs Phillips], and was ever anxious to keep him to herself, and to those of her family with whom he might converse without mortification.

That is: in Kent, Darcy excuses his poor behaviour as social awkwardness, while Elizabeth suggests he should just try harder; at the end, Darcy does try harder to be courteous, but his discomfort is very real, and Elizabeth tries to help him.

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anghraine: a painting of a man c. 1800 with a book and a pen; the words love, pride, and delicacy in the upper corner (darcy (love)
I just saw P&P unironically described as “enemies to lovers”

jkadfdjkfladf;a

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anghraine: darcy and elizabeth after the second proposal in the 1979 p&p (darcy and elizabeth [proposal])
Also, speaking of Darcy and Elizabeth’s mutual influence reminds me of the complaint that it’s about people changing other people and therefore #problematic.

And, uh, no. It’s human, in the best way.

We are social beings. People are influenced by one another and our interactions with each other; this is not really up for debate. The question revolves around how we’re influenced, how far it goes, in which direction, etc. And the idea that people’s influence on each other can never be positive just seems a ridiculous degree of cynicism.

Neither Darcy nor Elizabeth set out to change each other at any point. They choose to shift their approaches to the world without altering their underlying personalities (this is part of the reason that Mrs Reynolds’s testimony is so deeply important). At the same time, this choice is a consequence of their effects on each other. They absolutely do influence each other for the better—and that is something that can and does happen.

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A cute OTP thing:

Darcy:

“Such I was, from eight to eight-and-twenty; and such I might still have been but for you, dearest, loveliest Elizabeth! What do I not owe you!”

Elizabeth:

by her ease and liveliness, his mind might have been softened, his manners improved, and from his judgment, information, and knowledge of the world, she must have received benefit of greater importance.

It is really easy to laser-focus on the ways in which one or the other benefits from their ultimate relationship, but I think it’s adorable that Darcy goes on about how Elizabeth’s influence is sO IMPORTANT, while Elizabeth is 100% sure that his influence on her would actually matter more.

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anghraine: elizabeth accepting darcy's proposal in "austen's pride" (darcy and elizabeth (austen's pride))
In response to this, cosmonauthill said:

They’re also just… super compatible! I don’t understand the mystery here!

I replied:

Hah, yeah. Almost like

he was exactly the man who, in disposition and talents, would most suit her. His understanding and temper, though unlike her own, would have answered all her wishes. It was an union that must have been to the advantage of both.
 
But even if people quibble with Elizabeth’s POV there, it is explicitly stated that they were always grateful for their marriage! There is no ambiguity! And it is literally the last line of the book.

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