Re: Han -- right. And there isn't much three-way interaction after that (except him watching Luke and Leia snog, of course, which ... well, I guess you could say he's left out of that too :P). Mostly the scene in the garbage disposal where they scream at him in exactly the same voice is just kind of lol.
Re: Yoda -- well, I guess I didn't figure that he trained them in a way that involved lightsabers, based on how he trained Luke. It was all "luminous beings are we" and forbidding any attack ever and such -- where Obi-Wan was a general and turned out warriors, I thought Yoda would have turned out seers and peacemakers (and Anakin's obsessive focus on foresight and order and ending the war would have fit much better with that).
But then, I think Yoda and Palpatine are pretty obviously meant to parallel each other, anyway. Yoda's a trickster, too, and the moment when he lifts the ship with his mind is clearly analogous to Palpatine breaking out the lightning.
"These people have lost their standing to pass moral judgements on us, let's do this thing," where it's more than half a private rebellion against the moral decay around them.
Re: parenthood -- yeah. Both with some parts of their relationship to each other and definitely with how they reacted to their children, it seemed it drew more from stereotypes than from their particular characters. So it'd be very satisfying to see them buck the trend (especially since there are ways they do it otherwise, like the father being the one to sacrifice himself for the child, not the mother).
Mine is that someone who's not strong in the Force carrying a child with a high midichlorian count is automatically a high-risk pregnancy because the midichlorians affect the endocrine system
That works! And of course it's not just one child, but two -- so yeah, screwed. I tend to prefer the more fantastic side of things, but that probably fits with the PT better anyway.
Re: Obi-Wan's teaching style -- "get over yourself" is pretty much my constant mantra, ha. I mean, Qui-Gon trying to exchange them was less than smooth, but wtf Obi-Wan, he's NINE. YOU ARE THE ADULT. ACT LIKE IT. And he's really still a kid in AOTC and ... no.
Obi-Wan, otoh, was all about putting him in his place. And the thing that I struggle with is...he was a pretty messed-up mentor to Luke, too. EVEN AFTER HE WAS DEAD. So it's like he never quite got what his real failure was? It really wasn't not being Yoda.)
Re: Qui-Gon -- Hm, I'm a bit iffy about some of his choices. The entire podrace plotline is incredibly bewildering to me and I don't really see any moral difference between mind-tricking someone into accepting worthless money and just robbing him. But I still think he had a much better grasp on the Force and, um, basic decency than a lot of the others did. And I think he'd have been a better master for Anakin.
nd Anakin's turn to the Dark might well have been averted if they'd had that space where personalize and reciprocal love, and not just detached compassion, was allowed
Exactly! And a lot of Luke's problems would have been averted too. At least he had a support network. But Anakin? No, there was nothing to catch him when he fell (literally!).
It's my headcanon that it's natural for Force- sensitive kids to have their first experiences of using the Force be joyful and exciting
That's kind of awesome. I mean, I think a lot of the time they wouldn't realize it -- Luke's exceptional abilities, for instance, obviously come from the Force, but he doesn't consciously use it until he blows up the Death Star. And that usage seems both a calm and ecstatic kind of thing, which really seems what it should be about. And I really like your idea of how the Order wound around to where we see them.
I really liked the connection you made with both Anakin and the future always being in motion, and how it's interesting that he (and later his son) have precognitive powers
Awesome! Yes, he and Luke and Shmi are all drawn towards the, whatsit, "unformed potential" -- they're really all about what can be changed, influenced, what they can do. And Luke has to go from obsessively fixating on the future, like his father, to facing the present and then the past, which he ends up dealing the most with. Shmi, of course, can only really deal with the present and Anakin is still stuck peering into the future. So it's...yeah. *waves* I had this whole arc planned about their relationship to time and space and stuff.
Re: epic teal deer are epic!
Re: Yoda -- well, I guess I didn't figure that he trained them in a way that involved lightsabers, based on how he trained Luke. It was all "luminous beings are we" and forbidding any attack ever and such -- where Obi-Wan was a general and turned out warriors, I thought Yoda would have turned out seers and peacemakers (and Anakin's obsessive focus on foresight and order and ending the war would have fit much better with that).
But then, I think Yoda and Palpatine are pretty obviously meant to parallel each other, anyway. Yoda's a trickster, too, and the moment when he lifts the ship with his mind is clearly analogous to Palpatine breaking out the lightning.
"These people have lost their standing to pass moral judgements on us, let's do this thing," where it's more than half a private rebellion against the moral decay around them.
Oh, I rather like this idea! So often Padmé is still reluctant (though I liked one, where she wanted to be with him but didn't care about being married, while Anakin was set on having everything signed in triplicate), which doesn't really fit where she is at that point.
Re: parenthood -- yeah. Both with some parts of their relationship to each other and definitely with how they reacted to their children, it seemed it drew more from stereotypes than from their particular characters. So it'd be very satisfying to see them buck the trend (especially since there are ways they do it otherwise, like the father being the one to sacrifice himself for the child, not the mother).
Mine is that someone who's not strong in the Force carrying a child with a high midichlorian count is automatically a high-risk pregnancy because the midichlorians affect the endocrine system
That works! And of course it's not just one child, but two -- so yeah, screwed. I tend to prefer the more fantastic side of things, but that probably fits with the PT better anyway.
Re: Obi-Wan's teaching style -- "get over yourself" is pretty much my constant mantra, ha. I mean, Qui-Gon trying to exchange them was less than smooth, but wtf Obi-Wan, he's NINE. YOU ARE THE ADULT. ACT LIKE IT. And he's really still a kid in AOTC and ... no.
(Padmé carrying on the public humilitation was a bit wtf for me too, but it bothers me less -- I think because she doesn't have direct authority over him, she's probably following Obi-Wan's lead anyway, and I think it has more to do with her conflicted feelings about him than putting him in his place.
Obi-Wan, otoh, was all about putting him in his place. And the thing that I struggle with is...he was a pretty messed-up mentor to Luke, too. EVEN AFTER HE WAS DEAD. So it's like he never quite got what his real failure was? It really wasn't not being Yoda.)
Re: Qui-Gon -- Hm, I'm a bit iffy about some of his choices. The entire podrace plotline is incredibly bewildering to me and I don't really see any moral difference between mind-tricking someone into accepting worthless money and just robbing him. But I still think he had a much better grasp on the Force and, um, basic decency than a lot of the others did. And I think he'd have been a better master for Anakin.
nd Anakin's turn to the Dark might well have been averted if they'd had that space where personalize and reciprocal love, and not just detached compassion, was allowed
Exactly! And a lot of Luke's problems would have been averted too. At least he had a support network. But Anakin? No, there was nothing to catch him when he fell (literally!).
It's my headcanon that it's natural for Force- sensitive kids to have their first experiences of using the Force be joyful and exciting
That's kind of awesome. I mean, I think a lot of the time they wouldn't realize it -- Luke's exceptional abilities, for instance, obviously come from the Force, but he doesn't consciously use it until he blows up the Death Star. And that usage seems both a calm and ecstatic kind of thing, which really seems what it should be about. And I really like your idea of how the Order wound around to where we see them.
I really liked the connection you made with both Anakin and the future always being in motion, and how it's interesting that he (and later his son) have precognitive powers
Awesome! Yes, he and Luke and Shmi are all drawn towards the, whatsit, "unformed potential" -- they're really all about what can be changed, influenced, what they can do. And Luke has to go from obsessively fixating on the future, like his father, to facing the present and then the past, which he ends up dealing the most with. Shmi, of course, can only really deal with the present and Anakin is still stuck peering into the future. So it's...yeah. *waves* I had this whole arc planned about their relationship to time and space and stuff.