anything as simple as that flowchart just seems wrong by virtue of oversimplification.
Yup. I think where a lot of fanfic takes go wrong is that people seem to think that a "good fanfic take" is ideally as simple and straightforward as their feelings about it are. I also suspect this is why so many of the earnest "helpful" posts I see tend to present absolutely dire fanfic takes that make very little sense in the wider history of human storytelling as obvious, authoritative objective truth. A lot of people really do not want to engage with the complexity of the cultural structures that make derivative works "fanfic" in some contexts but not others, or that would logically extend their assertions about fanfic to forms of "reimagining" they find more respectable.
My sense is that most derivative works are going to be in a gray area, and then I'm often asking *why* (socially) folks want to separate out fanfic vs not fanfic for still-derivative works
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Yup. I think where a lot of fanfic takes go wrong is that people seem to think that a "good fanfic take" is ideally as simple and straightforward as their feelings about it are. I also suspect this is why so many of the earnest "helpful" posts I see tend to present absolutely dire fanfic takes that make very little sense in the wider history of human storytelling as obvious, authoritative objective truth. A lot of people really do not want to engage with the complexity of the cultural structures that make derivative works "fanfic" in some contexts but not others, or that would logically extend their assertions about fanfic to forms of "reimagining" they find more respectable.
My sense is that most derivative works are going to be in a gray area, and then I'm often asking *why* (socially) folks want to separate out fanfic vs not fanfic for still-derivative works
Exactly.