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Anghraine ([personal profile] anghraine) wrote2024-04-11 10:54 am

Grumpy purist ranting, 2024 edition

It's always kind of morbidly fascinating how much online Tolkien fandom is so powerfully shaped by the Jackson LOTR films, widespread Silm fanon based on brief and usually ambiguous scraps (if based on anything other than "stuff fandom BNFs came up with"), and bits and pieces from random documents Tolkien actually wrote (including things he explicitly discarded). And it's like—there's nothing wrong with liking the films, for all my gripes with them. I disagree w/ a lot of particular takes on them and resent their stranglehold on the fandom and the incessant glorification of that stranglehold, but they're powerful movies and I myself likely would have taken much longer to get into the book if not for the atmosphere created by the films.

But the posts about how wonderful it is that Tolkien fandom has moved past those silly days of yore when fanon spliced with the films spliced with decontextualized scraps wasn't the main mode of Tolkien fandom engagement, and how the Peter Jackson filter on everything Tolkien is right and good and maybe even a matter of social justice (?????) and so on are definitely frustrating. Without even getting into specific discourses, Tolkien fandom can be profoundly alienating if you're not into 1) the Jackson films or 2) popular fanon. And yeah, ultimately that's just a fandom misalignment between my personal interests and that of much of the larger fandom, and obviously they can and will do fandom in whatever way makes them happy. That's fine. But the active celebration of fandom pressure to conform to the interpretations of people who had no more impact on Tolkien's work than me is pretty deeply grating, ngl.

And the idea that incorporating popular bits and pieces of Tolkien material to augment the fanon+PJ!LOTR version of Middle-earth just proves that Tolkien fandom has left their movieverse days behind and is really about love for the books these days is like ... what. How does that even make sense? Fandom does not have to be about love for a specific source material and there is plenty to criticize and correct in Tolkien, yes. But there's a way in which I can respect people who say "I'm here more because I love the LOTR movies and the material created by the Tolkien fandom community than for most of what Tolkien actually wrote" (something I have seen people say!) far more than these saccharine celebratory posts about how Tolkien fandom has come so far by driving out book fans and, idk, desperately searching for a woman to blame for everything that goes wrong in the First Age.

(I recently encountered the theory that Celegorm's actions towards Lúthien are not driven by anything stated but by a desire to avenge Aredhel's rape/imprisonment by Eöl. Silm fandom quickly seemed like the Mirror Universe version of the Silmarillion when I got into it years ago, but at that point, I was just like "okay, Celegorm trying to rape Lúthien is actually Aredhel's fault? Sounds like a perfectly typical Silm fandom take.")

Anyway. There are definitely corners of Tolkien fandom that aren't like this and mutual disaffection is how I met most of my friends in the fandom, etc. But BNFs patting themselves on the back over how fantastic the current atmosphere is for everyone who matters :)))) does absolutely set my teeth on edge.
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[personal profile] chestnut_pod 2024-04-11 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, you know that old tumblr post that went something like "your mutuals' incomprehensible discourses passing by your dash like icebergs in the night"? There were several of those in this post ':D
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[personal profile] chestnut_pod 2024-04-12 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, I was referring to the specifics! Last time I was properly in online Tolkien fandom was during the Elwing Wars, so I’m certainly familiar with the general trends.
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[personal profile] dragoness_e 2024-04-12 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
I hang out in /r/tolkienfans, which is aggressively book-only. Anytime someone cites PJ's fanon about something, they are gently reminded that that's movie-only and we don't do that here.

I'm one of those people--I liked the casting of PJ's LOTR, but after following FOTR pretty closely, it wandered off the characterization rails. Since when is Aragorn a reluctant king-to-be? When did Elrond exchange personalities with Celeborn? Arwen is wasting away because whuh? Faramir did WHAT? What pod person replaced Faramir? Denethor is already insane with despair before anything happens to Faramir--why?

Then there's the action bits that directly contradict the books, and show PJ didn't really understand Tolkien's themes. Aragorn beheading the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gate--nope, didn't happen. Shadowfax rearing and panicking at the Witch-King's entrance--still nope. The Witch-King breaking Gandalf's staff --absolutely not!

OTOH, if PJ had to leave out the Scouring of the Shire, Saruman taking a header off Orthanc is as good as any way to kill him off.

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[personal profile] elperian 2024-04-12 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
has come so far by driving out book fans and, idk, desperately searching for a woman to blame for everything that goes wrong in the First Age

There is something seriously rotten in Denmark -