anghraine: a picture of grey-white towers starting to glow yellow in the rising sun (minas anor)
2024-04-01 07:39 am

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ngl I have yet to read any justification for Aragorn's argument that Théoden's edicts should not apply to him in Rohan that I didn't find deeply annoying.

I just saw yet another one on Tumblr, which ultimately was not very different from the rest. The argument was that given actual Anglo-Saxon customs, it is Théoden's requirement that everyone relinquish their weapons (often great heirlooms, which Andúril is) that is unreasonable, not Aragorn's distaste for doing so. In other permutations, it's Háma who is being short-sighted in not accepting Aragorn's greater authority. But essentially the idea is that Théoden's command itself is sketchy and Aragorn is the one being reasonable.

None of this addresses the actual problem, though, which Háma himself does.

Yes, Théoden's insistence that warriors relinquish their swords or other weapons is clearly framed as dubious and a marker of Gríma's malign influence over him, much like the use of the Rohirrim's language as a shibboleth. This is perfectly evident even without bringing in Anglo-Saxon history. Yes, Aragorn has good reason to be uneasy about leaving Andúril lying around with a random door warden. None of that is the problem.

Aragorn does not only argue that Théoden's decree with regard to weaponry in his hall is a bad idea. He argues that it is not his (Aragorn's) will to give up his weapon and that "it is not clear to me" that Théoden's will as king of Rohan should override his own as heir of Elendil "of Gondor."

There are a number of issues at play here:


anghraine: a shot of an enormous statue near a mountain from amazon's the rings of power (númenor [meneltarma])
2024-02-28 05:16 pm

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[personal profile] heckofabecca responded to this post:

what do you mean, it doesn’t make sense???

I replied:

Well, there’s a basic quandary that Tolkien wrangled with:

1. Sindarin is used conversationally in Gondor.

2. Gondorian Sindarin is largely unchanged from classic Sindarin.

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anghraine: a painting of a woman with high cheekbones and long blonde hair under a silver circlet (éowyn)
2022-01-27 06:24 am

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Tolkien frequently shifted around his ideas about how language was used in Gondor and Rohan, but I wanted to settle my headcanon in my own mind. So, headcanons for the royal house of Rohan + language!

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