[crosspost] March 7-9, 2019
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anghraine1) I just saw ‘Andustar’ and ‘Minas Anor’ and ‘Calenardhon’ on the LOTR on Prime thing, and can’t lie, I went from mild interest to excited terror in the space of about two seconds.
I mean ... MY PEOPLE!
NO
YES
I DON'T KNOW
Okay, what if it's the Last Alliance? That would be okay, and potentially cool. But wait, what if they fuck up Isildur? It's really easy to fuck up Isildur. What if it's ~men are weak~ bullshit?
what if
w h a t i f
('Welcome to the Second Age' are you KIDDING ME)
2) “I have no use for libraries.”
—Logan Thackeray
(I unironically love him, but also ... lol.)
3) I’m still baffled at how Paige Tico’s death gets included in criticisms of SW’s female characters dying to forward a man’s story. You could argue that her death partly serves Poe’s story, but it’s obvious that it primarily serves Rose’s story.
I mean, that would entail treating Rose’s character with a modicum of respect, so.
(This, incidentally, is the post that someone tried to redirect to Kylo Ren.)
4) I responded to a friend's 'wtf?' response to a particularly asinine post about how P&P = a privileged man getting called out on his toxic masculinity with this screed:
God bless your tags. I read this with increasing 'the fuck?'
Also: all these takes seem blissfully oblivious to the fact that Elizabeth is the main character of P&P and the primary character development is hers. Half her virtuous call-out is objectively false, and the exact center of the book and turning point is her realization of how far astray her pride and her vanity has taken her. Darcy's arc serves hers.
(Darcy is my fave but C'MON)
Also it's explicitly argued in the novel that Elizabeth and Darcy are wrongly blaming themselves for Wickham. They're not really convinced, so you can argue either way - but it's certainly not unambiguous. Also, Darcy has ALWAYS protected vulnerable people to some extent - that's why Mrs Reynolds's testimony is so important.
AND his interference is not what changes Elizabeth's mind about him. The letter is the first thing to change her mind, and then their shared aesthetic tastes do a little more, and then there's Mrs Reynolds's account that hugely impacts her, and then there's Darcy's own behaviour at Pemberley, and she explicitly realizes she loves him while being sleepless about him during Lydiagate. Her discovery of what he did comes after all of that. It's important that she falls in love with him BEFORE he shells out a ton of money for her family.
I just... God. What the fuck?
5) An anon then sent a message saying:
God I'm so tired of 'toxic masculinity' being ascribed to Darcy
I replied:
Same, jfc. I don’t know if I’m more annoyed because a) it downplays how profoundly Elizabeth is influenced by Darcy’s apparent exploitation of lower-class men and later on, his treatment of servants and tenants as classes, b) it downplays Elizabeth’s own mistakes and character development, or c) it downplays the term itself.
I mean ... MY PEOPLE!
NO
YES
I DON'T KNOW
Okay, what if it's the Last Alliance? That would be okay, and potentially cool. But wait, what if they fuck up Isildur? It's really easy to fuck up Isildur. What if it's ~men are weak~ bullshit?
what if
w h a t i f
('Welcome to the Second Age' are you KIDDING ME)
2) “I have no use for libraries.”
—Logan Thackeray
(I unironically love him, but also ... lol.)
3) I’m still baffled at how Paige Tico’s death gets included in criticisms of SW’s female characters dying to forward a man’s story. You could argue that her death partly serves Poe’s story, but it’s obvious that it primarily serves Rose’s story.
(This, incidentally, is the post that someone tried to redirect to Kylo Ren.)
4) I responded to a friend's 'wtf?' response to a particularly asinine post about how P&P = a privileged man getting called out on his toxic masculinity with this screed:
God bless your tags. I read this with increasing 'the fuck?'
Also: all these takes seem blissfully oblivious to the fact that Elizabeth is the main character of P&P and the primary character development is hers. Half her virtuous call-out is objectively false, and the exact center of the book and turning point is her realization of how far astray her pride and her vanity has taken her. Darcy's arc serves hers.
(Darcy is my fave but C'MON)
Also it's explicitly argued in the novel that Elizabeth and Darcy are wrongly blaming themselves for Wickham. They're not really convinced, so you can argue either way - but it's certainly not unambiguous. Also, Darcy has ALWAYS protected vulnerable people to some extent - that's why Mrs Reynolds's testimony is so important.
AND his interference is not what changes Elizabeth's mind about him. The letter is the first thing to change her mind, and then their shared aesthetic tastes do a little more, and then there's Mrs Reynolds's account that hugely impacts her, and then there's Darcy's own behaviour at Pemberley, and she explicitly realizes she loves him while being sleepless about him during Lydiagate. Her discovery of what he did comes after all of that. It's important that she falls in love with him BEFORE he shells out a ton of money for her family.
I just... God. What the fuck?
5) An anon then sent a message saying:
God I'm so tired of 'toxic masculinity' being ascribed to Darcy
I replied:
Same, jfc. I don’t know if I’m more annoyed because a) it downplays how profoundly Elizabeth is influenced by Darcy’s apparent exploitation of lower-class men and later on, his treatment of servants and tenants as classes, b) it downplays Elizabeth’s own mistakes and character development, or c) it downplays the term itself.