Tolkien posts, May - part 1
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anghraineI'll probably post some May posts separately, since I swerved pretty hard back into LOTR fandom last month, but the first chunk of run-of-the-mill ones:
On May 7th, professorsparklepants asked:
Hey, I saw in your Fíriel au how your hc is that the Steward's family married a daughter of the royal house and that's how they got their original authority, which amused me a lot, because that's how the Stuarts got the Scottish throne. (They even only changed the spelling from Stewart after Mary Queen of Scots got back from France).
(Note: the Fíriel fic is a f!Faramir AU based on a post I made about it some... four years ago.)
I replied:
Hah, I didn’t even think of that, but I suppose the connection is pretty inevitable.
I do imagine that they received some of the authority in their own right (i.e., due to people like Húrin)—but the ‘royal origin’ Tolkien talks about in HOME certainly would have helped! There are a lot of ways it could come about, of course; marriage to a princess just seems the most straightforward, since they’re not direct male-line descendants of Elendil.
On May 11th, I said:
I still think about all those stretches of time when Aragorn and Éomer are off at war, and back home you’ve got Faramir ruling as Steward in Minas Tirith while navigating a probably complex relationship with Arwen, and there’s Éowyn running/defending Ithilien (what’s her relationship with Beregond? Legolas?), and meanwhile there’s Lothíriel in Rohan doing ????? and …
Well, if I had the time or energy (or discipline), it’d be a kind of perfect ground for epistolary headcanon fic.
tagged: #éowyn marchwarden of ithilien is very important to me #and the faramir-arwen relationship gradually evolving from cautious mutual respect to the springless autumn brotp #and lothíriel the young foreign queen of a fiercely independent people #and how they all interrelate with each other and the new age they're part of #/sigh
In response, brambleberrycottage said:
Oh, my a if you ever get the time. THIS sounds sooo good
while viveperdiemnoctemque said:
when you have the time or energy or discipline, i would be the first reader of this fic! or even an avid audience for any thoughts that you have about this situation!!!
I replied:
Thank you!! I have a bunch of scraps of barely-started Fourth Age fics that always end up running into … something, but hopefully someday one of them will get somewhere.
irresistible-revolution responded:
i know this is not at all what you were thinking of but i was suddenly seized by 2004 legolas x eowyn ship feels and i just wanted to share that with you lmao
I said:
hahaha
I remember running over that back in the day and being so confused (though not as confused as I was by Éowyn/Haldir)
She then said:
idk why but legolas x eowyn was always THE most tragic shit! she was always dying three weeks after their marriage or legolas was leaving and she was nursing her secret unrequited love forever and it was just… a lot lmao i dipped my toe once and ran away lol
I replied:
Hah, I can believe it! I read a couple out of morbid curiosity and it was all about her tragically pining for Legolas through her marriage to Faramir (though I think those had a technically happy ending where she eventually ran off with Faramir’s blessing). Baffling on a lot of levels.
(I was a baby fan who had yet to grasp the concept of not reading things I knew I wouldn't like, but wow did I nope hard out of that one.)
On May 15th, I said:
I guess I’ll acknowledge that Faramir’s princess hair might be a little impractical for a warrior-captain, so I can kind of get why everyone fanwanks the mingling.
But it doesn’t stop Elves, so … whatever.
(Personally, I imagine that Dol Amrothians traditionally wear their hair long, and Faramir wears his that way to honour his mother’s people.)
tagged: #it's one of a handful of things he does that doesn't annoy denethor #but while i don't go for a lot of faramir fanons i do def see him as very dol amrothian in some ways #maybe fostered there for a time #maybe not! but the affinity is there even though he's also very much one of the húrinionath #and i imagine him as feeling the affinity himself and sort of ... cultivating it #not pragmatically just as a matter of respect and expression
(Context: I have a vaguely tongue-in-cheek post arguing that Faramir and Éowyn's hair mingling as they stand together = he has quite long hair, given the probable height difference between them. It has a few hundred notes iirc and was making the rounds again. I was also thinking of a friend who tried to fanwank the mingling because the Gondorian helmets he was envisioning wouldn't really work with long hair, but ... it's not really possible to fanwank without flat-out ignoring the canonical description. And there's gazillions of art of long-haired warrior Elves, but somehow the art of that scene almost always ignores the mingling.)
On May 17th, I said:
I was just looking over the 24-pg paper on Gondor and Númenor I wrote last year, and now I really wish I had the brainspace for Fourth Age fic.
tagged: #or for actually completing fourth age fic #...or at least continuing it #even a chaucer meme one ;_;
On May 18th, I answered an anon who had asked:
Your Faithful-Rogue One AU made me wonder, have you ever thought about or considered the reverse, Tolkien characters/plots in a Star Wars setting? (Or seen someone else do it?)
I said:
I once wrote a fic where Arda is a SW planet and Luke and Leia crash-land onto Tar-Ancalimë’s Númenor! I never got very far with it, though.
But the Ring maps on so well to the Dark Side (I once wrote about that too!) that it’d actually be interesting to do. Also, Frodo and Faramir as Jedi who actually get what it means to be Jedi, even as Frodo falls in the end? <33333
tagged: #éowyn flies a starship to the battle and shoots a sith lord in the face
On May 19th, I responded to anon who had asked:
Any thoughts on Mardil Voronwe, Gondor's first Ruling Steward?
I said:
I love him!
He seems to have been kind of the ideal personification of the Stewardship itself. It would have been so easy for him to make a power grab—he seems to have had influence over Eärnil, given that he was able to restrain him for some period of time (when he could have just let him go and taken power).
And even when he did take power, it was through the legitimate requirements of the Stewardship—he knew better than to make a divisive claim. I imagine him as steady, principled, thoughtful, and loyal, someone who would always put the interests of Gondor’s people above his or his family’s aggrandizement. Truly Mardil the Faithful! :)
On the same day, I said:
I love Andreth/Aegnor to pieces, I run a sideblog for them, but sometimes I’m just … attacked by Andreth/Finrod feelings.
But why dost thou say “mere words”? Do not words overpass the gulf between one life and another? Between thee and me surely more has passed than empty sound? Have we not drawn near at all?
/screams into the void
tagged: #FINROD FELAGUND MASTER OF SUBTLETY #anyway #i did not ask for these emotions!!!!
On May 7th, professorsparklepants asked:
Hey, I saw in your Fíriel au how your hc is that the Steward's family married a daughter of the royal house and that's how they got their original authority, which amused me a lot, because that's how the Stuarts got the Scottish throne. (They even only changed the spelling from Stewart after Mary Queen of Scots got back from France).
(Note: the Fíriel fic is a f!Faramir AU based on a post I made about it some... four years ago.)
I replied:
Hah, I didn’t even think of that, but I suppose the connection is pretty inevitable.
I do imagine that they received some of the authority in their own right (i.e., due to people like Húrin)—but the ‘royal origin’ Tolkien talks about in HOME certainly would have helped! There are a lot of ways it could come about, of course; marriage to a princess just seems the most straightforward, since they’re not direct male-line descendants of Elendil.
On May 11th, I said:
I still think about all those stretches of time when Aragorn and Éomer are off at war, and back home you’ve got Faramir ruling as Steward in Minas Tirith while navigating a probably complex relationship with Arwen, and there’s Éowyn running/defending Ithilien (what’s her relationship with Beregond? Legolas?), and meanwhile there’s Lothíriel in Rohan doing ????? and …
Well, if I had the time or energy (or discipline), it’d be a kind of perfect ground for epistolary headcanon fic.
tagged: #éowyn marchwarden of ithilien is very important to me #and the faramir-arwen relationship gradually evolving from cautious mutual respect to the springless autumn brotp #and lothíriel the young foreign queen of a fiercely independent people #and how they all interrelate with each other and the new age they're part of #/sigh
In response, brambleberrycottage said:
Oh, my a if you ever get the time. THIS sounds sooo good
while viveperdiemnoctemque said:
when you have the time or energy or discipline, i would be the first reader of this fic! or even an avid audience for any thoughts that you have about this situation!!!
I replied:
Thank you!! I have a bunch of scraps of barely-started Fourth Age fics that always end up running into … something, but hopefully someday one of them will get somewhere.
irresistible-revolution responded:
i know this is not at all what you were thinking of but i was suddenly seized by 2004 legolas x eowyn ship feels and i just wanted to share that with you lmao
I said:
hahaha
I remember running over that back in the day and being so confused (though not as confused as I was by Éowyn/Haldir)
She then said:
idk why but legolas x eowyn was always THE most tragic shit! she was always dying three weeks after their marriage or legolas was leaving and she was nursing her secret unrequited love forever and it was just… a lot lmao i dipped my toe once and ran away lol
I replied:
Hah, I can believe it! I read a couple out of morbid curiosity and it was all about her tragically pining for Legolas through her marriage to Faramir (though I think those had a technically happy ending where she eventually ran off with Faramir’s blessing). Baffling on a lot of levels.
(I was a baby fan who had yet to grasp the concept of not reading things I knew I wouldn't like, but wow did I nope hard out of that one.)
On May 15th, I said:
I guess I’ll acknowledge that Faramir’s princess hair might be a little impractical for a warrior-captain, so I can kind of get why everyone fanwanks the mingling.
But it doesn’t stop Elves, so … whatever.
(Personally, I imagine that Dol Amrothians traditionally wear their hair long, and Faramir wears his that way to honour his mother’s people.)
tagged: #it's one of a handful of things he does that doesn't annoy denethor #but while i don't go for a lot of faramir fanons i do def see him as very dol amrothian in some ways #maybe fostered there for a time #maybe not! but the affinity is there even though he's also very much one of the húrinionath #and i imagine him as feeling the affinity himself and sort of ... cultivating it #not pragmatically just as a matter of respect and expression
(Context: I have a vaguely tongue-in-cheek post arguing that Faramir and Éowyn's hair mingling as they stand together = he has quite long hair, given the probable height difference between them. It has a few hundred notes iirc and was making the rounds again. I was also thinking of a friend who tried to fanwank the mingling because the Gondorian helmets he was envisioning wouldn't really work with long hair, but ... it's not really possible to fanwank without flat-out ignoring the canonical description. And there's gazillions of art of long-haired warrior Elves, but somehow the art of that scene almost always ignores the mingling.)
On May 17th, I said:
I was just looking over the 24-pg paper on Gondor and Númenor I wrote last year, and now I really wish I had the brainspace for Fourth Age fic.
tagged: #or for actually completing fourth age fic #...or at least continuing it #even a chaucer meme one ;_;
On May 18th, I answered an anon who had asked:
Your Faithful-Rogue One AU made me wonder, have you ever thought about or considered the reverse, Tolkien characters/plots in a Star Wars setting? (Or seen someone else do it?)
I said:
I once wrote a fic where Arda is a SW planet and Luke and Leia crash-land onto Tar-Ancalimë’s Númenor! I never got very far with it, though.
But the Ring maps on so well to the Dark Side (I once wrote about that too!) that it’d actually be interesting to do. Also, Frodo and Faramir as Jedi who actually get what it means to be Jedi, even as Frodo falls in the end? <33333
tagged: #éowyn flies a starship to the battle and shoots a sith lord in the face
On May 19th, I responded to anon who had asked:
Any thoughts on Mardil Voronwe, Gondor's first Ruling Steward?
I said:
I love him!
He seems to have been kind of the ideal personification of the Stewardship itself. It would have been so easy for him to make a power grab—he seems to have had influence over Eärnil, given that he was able to restrain him for some period of time (when he could have just let him go and taken power).
And even when he did take power, it was through the legitimate requirements of the Stewardship—he knew better than to make a divisive claim. I imagine him as steady, principled, thoughtful, and loyal, someone who would always put the interests of Gondor’s people above his or his family’s aggrandizement. Truly Mardil the Faithful! :)
On the same day, I said:
I love Andreth/Aegnor to pieces, I run a sideblog for them, but sometimes I’m just … attacked by Andreth/Finrod feelings.
But why dost thou say “mere words”? Do not words overpass the gulf between one life and another? Between thee and me surely more has passed than empty sound? Have we not drawn near at all?
/screams into the void
tagged: #FINROD FELAGUND MASTER OF SUBTLETY #anyway #i did not ask for these emotions!!!!