attributions and memes
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anghraineWhen I wrote last year's au_bigbangs, I vaguely referred to two other fandoms within the stories - for the lulz! - and then amused myself by stuffing as many references to as many others of mine as I could shove in. I always meant to do a proper attribution post, but just ... forgot. But now I've remembered! So here they are. (The citations are in white, so feel free to guess if it amuses you.)
(1) It was only natural to feel a certain camaraderie -- there were just some things that people couldn’t live through without becoming friends. Leia suspected that escaping a planet-destroying battle station was one of them.
--Leia, "The Adventures of Lucy Skywalker," Ch 10
(reference: Harry, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone:
There are some things you can't share without ending up liking each other, and knocking out a twelve-foot mountain troll is one of them.)
(2) From politics, it was an easy step to silence.
--Lucy, "Lucy Skywalker," Ch 11
(reference: Henry Tilney, Northanger Abbey - yes, I got Austen into my SW fics:
Delighted with her progress, and fearful of wearying her with too much wisdom at once, Henry suffered the subject to decline, and by an easy transition from a piece of rocky fragment and the withered oak which he had placed near its summit, to oaks in general, to forests, the enclosure of them, waste lands, crown lands and government, he shortly found himself arrived at politics; and from politics, it was an easy step to silence.)
(3) Palpatine would find him, and once he did, Luke's life would be short and his death long.
--Vader, "Revenge of the Jedi," Ch 1
(reference: the Tisroc, The Horse and His Boy [Chronicles of Narnia]:
"Understand, O my son," said the Tisroc, "that no words you can speak will move me to open war against Narnia."
"If you were not my father, O ever-living Tisroc, " said the Prince, grinding his teeth, "I should say that was the word of a coward."
"And if you were not my son, O most inflammable Rabadash," replied his father, "your life would be short and your death slow when you had said it.")
(4) Seven stones.
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 3
(reference: song, Lord of the Rings:
"Tall ships and tall kings
Three times three,
What brought they from the foundered land
Over the flowing sea?
Seven stars and seven stones
And one white tree.")
(5) Darth Vader was most seriously displeased.
--Vader, "Revenge," Ch 5
(reference: Lady Catherine, Pride and Prejudice:
"I take no leave of you, Miss Bennet. I send no compliments to your mother. You deserve no such attention. I am most seriously displeased.")
(6) “Besides, it’s creepy to have someone watching me while I sleep -- I wouldn’t get any rest that way.”
--Leia, "Revenge," Ch 7
(reference: Edward, Twilight; I no longer have the books to quote)
(7) "Luke, your father loves you," she said. "He will remember it before the end."
--Shmi, "Revenge," Ch 7
(reference: Gandalf, Lord of the Rings:
"You will be needed here, for other things than war. Your father loves you, Faramir, and will remember it ere the end. Farewell!")
(8) One does not simply purchase planets!
--Leia, "Revenge," Ch 8
(reference: the Mordor meme, of course)
(9) “Obi-Wan, can you . . . sparkle less? I don’t think I can handle any more eldritch lights in my eyes.”
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 8
(reference: Twilight again. Of course!)
(10) “You are not alone.”
--Obi-Wan, "Revenge," Ch 12
(reference: Doctor Who)
(11) “Sons and daughters of Alderaan”
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 18
(reference: Zhao, Avatar: The Last Airbender:
"We are the sons and daughters of fire!")
(12) “Here is Leia Amidala Organa, daughter and only child of Bail Organa, last sovereign of Alderaan. Shall she be queen here?”
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 18
(reference: Faramir, Lord of the Rings:
"Here is Aragorn, son of Arathorn, of the line of Isildur. Shall he be king and enter into the City and dwell there?")
(13) “Behold the Queen!”
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 18
(reference: Faramir, Lord of the Rings:
"Behold the King!")
Memes!
Five Question Meme from treenahasthaal
(1) What is your top fanfic fandom?
My favourite to write fanfic in, at the moment, is Star Wars. I've written in the most in Austen, for many years my main fandom until the fandom ... pretty much burned me out.
(2) Da Vinci or Salvador Dali?
Da Vinci. It's just more my style.
(3) If you could live anywhere in the world, where would that be?
Oh, I don't know. I like Portland, but I'd like to be by at least one of my friends - I'd also love to live for awhile in Derbyshire or Nottinghamshire, where most of my ancestors come from.
(4) What are your five favourite TV shows, and why?
1 - Avatar: the Last Airbender, no question. It's beautiful, has nuanced characters (not just for a cartoon, for epic fantasy, period) with some amazing arcs, it's not all white dudes all the times, and bending is up there with lightsabers as COOLEST THING EVER. And there's other stuff.
2 - She-Ra: Princess of Power. It's so cheesy and so eighties and GIRL HE-MAN only she's her own person and there are fabulous ladies everywhere and ridiculously stupid stormtroopers. It really is like a cheesier SW for little girls. And so much subtext.
3 - Castle: because I love every single person in it. And it has a parent-teenager relationship that isn't "blah blah blah teenagers are all wild and rebellious and disobedient blah blah" while still having conflict and without distracting from the procedural funtimes. And lots of awesome women in something that could easily be all dudes + love interest.
4 - Bones: so very flawed, but Temperance Brennan is one of those characters who ... I never saw anyone like me on TV, ever, and then I saw her and it was like an awesome-ified version of me. It's a bit like how I'll forgive George Lucas anything for putting Leia on my screen - I forgive a lot because BRENNAN.
5 - Batman: The Animated Series. A weird choice because I've only seen a few episodes, but they were flawless and I have to say I almost never see that. Fabulous voice acting, fabulous imagery, fabulous everything.
(5) If you could be any character ever created, who would be?
All of my favourite characters go through horrible things I wouldn't want to endure, but at the same time, I can't think of anything better than being the people they are. Out of all of them ... yeah, it'd have to be Leia. She's pretty everything I ever aspired to. Even in ROTJ.
Five Question Meme from ladyhadhafang
(1) What are your biggest pet peeves in fanfic?
Um, wow, I'm not sure how to choose. Setting aside technical details (grammar, spelling, getting the characters' names wrong...), and fandom-specific details (Regency England/the GFFA/Middle-earth doesn't work that way!), and things I hate in anything whether it's fanfic or not (homophobia, slut-shaming etc), it'd have to be fanon. I don't mind people having their own fanon, but seeing the same unsubstantiated assumptions, all over, for no other reason than "everyone does it" annoys the hell out of me. Sometimes it's something that's simply wrong, but a lot of times it's something that's possible, just not canon.
In SW fandom specifically, it's probably the near-impossibility of finding fic that's not up to its ears in the EU, or shallow the-Dark-Side-is-only-in-your-mind attempts at moral relativism that are completely inconsistent with the movies.
Oh, and I HATE skeevy authority pairings - mostly teacher/student in this fandom. To be honest, I find exploitation of students/foster-children (which is really what underage Jedi are) by those in positions of power and supposed moral authority over them to be completely reprehensible and I think it's horrifying to see it romanticized and normalized - it's one of the only things I'm unwilling to read and I really wish people would warn for it. (I stumbled across Anakin/Ahsoka once. OMG, brain bleach.)
(2) What are your favourite books?
Mansfield Park and Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
Lord of the Rings (etc) by J. R . R. Tolkien
Young Wizards by Diane Duane
Discworld by Terry Pratchett
Cotillion by Georgette Heyer
Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman
The Secret Garden by Frances Hodgson Burnett
and lots more. :D (English major here!)
(3) What are your favourite Nostalgia Critic reviews?
Ooh, a TGWTG one! Let's see.
The Top 11 Saddest Moments (most nostalgic thing I've ever seen OMG LITTLE FOOT'S MOM I'M SIX AGAIN)
The Top 11 Disney Villains (HELL YEAH)
Good Son (somehow he made that enjoyable to watch the Folger's commericals lololol)
Star Wars Christmas (he feels our pain! our entire 30+ year old fandom's pain! and George Lucas' pain! he paid for our sins!)
Top 11 Villain Songs (I've probably watched this more than all of the others put together. Yaaaaaaaaaay.)
Moulin Review (his best review ever imho)
(4) What are the things that bug you must about the SW saga?
For the purposes of space and blood pressure, I'm confining myself to the movies.
- clunky dialogue (worse in the prequels but there in all of them)
- a lot of times coherent (or existent) character arcs get sacrificed for spectacle (esp ROTJ and the prequels)
- constant retcons without any real attempt to smooth the inconsistencies away (ditto - the ESB one is the only one that's really addressed, actually)
- almost all men, especially in anything like major roles, and those that are there get painfully marginalized by the end (Padmé more - much more - than Leia but Leia too)
- inconsistent tone (mostly between the OT and PT, but also between ESB and ROTJ)
I could give specific in-story examples ("wtf Obi-Wan" on so many occasions), but that would go on for pages. So this is a bit meta-y, but they are really the things that bug me overall. Though "overall" is starting to look more like ROTJ + the prequels, which shouldn't be any surprise to anyone. I would be an old school purist if I'd been alive back then. :P
(5) Who are your favourite movie characters?
Luke Skywalker, Leia Skywalker Organa, Anakin Skywalker from SW
Belle (and in a love-to-hate way, Gaston) from Disney's B&tB
Spock!
cheating, but I loved David Gwillim's Henry V
epic foreshadowing meme from ladyhadhafang
(1) Are there any movies you're currently looking forward to?
The Hobbit!
(2) What would you say are the best things about the Harry Potter books?
Compelling world-building. Not necessarily elaborate or thoroughly-considered world building (like Tolkien), but enough thrown in to make it fascinating to a whole ton of people. I think the love for HP is, to a large extent, love for the setting. The Houses and wands and robes and the Ministry and messenger owls and potions and quills and flying paper memos and all of it throw together in a way that, at some level, really works. I also think the characters occupy that nice grey space where they're archetypal enough that they're very familiar and very comfortable but distinct enough to draw our interest; they're also epic enough to be stirring but normal enough to identify with. (It's a bit like SW that way, though I think at least ANH and ESB carry off the ordinary/epic balance better, and generally handle archetypes more smoothly.)
(3) Things everyone else seems to love that you just don't get?
Shipping. Cotton candy. Being angry. Boba Fett. :P
(4) Biggest RL pet peeves?
Various forms of bigotry. People insisting I'm straight (no, please). Likewise, men hitting on me. Social cues! People smoking in my face (I'm asthmatic). Those people who go around my university trying to get me to sign up for things. Student loans. Paperwork. Fellow English/creative writing majors who insist they're not interested in comprehensible grammar and spelling. (Well, you understand what I meant, didn't you? NO. NO, I DIDN'T. THAT'S WHAT GRAMMAR IS FOR.) Streets without cross-walks on them, especially if they cross freeway entrances.
(5) What writer(s) influence you the most?
Jane Austen, Tolkien. Probably Diane Duane and Tamora Pierce, too.
Also, a ton of really bad romance and fantasy authors who I devoured in my READ ANYTHING stage, and who did lots of shit I intensely dislike. So, even as a kid, every time I ran across one I'd make a mental note of "don't do that." My mental checklist of Things That Annoyed Me So I'm Not Going to Do Them is now extremely long.
(1) It was only natural to feel a certain camaraderie -- there were just some things that people couldn’t live through without becoming friends. Leia suspected that escaping a planet-destroying battle station was one of them.
--Leia, "The Adventures of Lucy Skywalker," Ch 10
(reference: Harry, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone:
There are some things you can't share without ending up liking each other, and knocking out a twelve-foot mountain troll is one of them.)
(2) From politics, it was an easy step to silence.
--Lucy, "Lucy Skywalker," Ch 11
(reference: Henry Tilney, Northanger Abbey - yes, I got Austen into my SW fics:
Delighted with her progress, and fearful of wearying her with too much wisdom at once, Henry suffered the subject to decline, and by an easy transition from a piece of rocky fragment and the withered oak which he had placed near its summit, to oaks in general, to forests, the enclosure of them, waste lands, crown lands and government, he shortly found himself arrived at politics; and from politics, it was an easy step to silence.)
(3) Palpatine would find him, and once he did, Luke's life would be short and his death long.
--Vader, "Revenge of the Jedi," Ch 1
(reference: the Tisroc, The Horse and His Boy [Chronicles of Narnia]:
"Understand, O my son," said the Tisroc, "that no words you can speak will move me to open war against Narnia."
"If you were not my father, O ever-living Tisroc, " said the Prince, grinding his teeth, "I should say that was the word of a coward."
"And if you were not my son, O most inflammable Rabadash," replied his father, "your life would be short and your death slow when you had said it.")
(4) Seven stones.
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 3
(reference: song, Lord of the Rings:
"Tall ships and tall kings
Three times three,
What brought they from the foundered land
Over the flowing sea?
Seven stars and seven stones
And one white tree.")
(5) Darth Vader was most seriously displeased.
--Vader, "Revenge," Ch 5
(reference: Lady Catherine, Pride and Prejudice:
"I take no leave of you, Miss Bennet. I send no compliments to your mother. You deserve no such attention. I am most seriously displeased.")
(6) “Besides, it’s creepy to have someone watching me while I sleep -- I wouldn’t get any rest that way.”
--Leia, "Revenge," Ch 7
(reference: Edward, Twilight; I no longer have the books to quote)
(7) "Luke, your father loves you," she said. "He will remember it before the end."
--Shmi, "Revenge," Ch 7
(reference: Gandalf, Lord of the Rings:
"You will be needed here, for other things than war. Your father loves you, Faramir, and will remember it ere the end. Farewell!")
(8) One does not simply purchase planets!
--Leia, "Revenge," Ch 8
(reference: the Mordor meme, of course)
(9) “Obi-Wan, can you . . . sparkle less? I don’t think I can handle any more eldritch lights in my eyes.”
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 8
(reference: Twilight again. Of course!)
(10) “You are not alone.”
--Obi-Wan, "Revenge," Ch 12
(reference: Doctor Who)
(11) “Sons and daughters of Alderaan”
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 18
(reference: Zhao, Avatar: The Last Airbender:
"We are the sons and daughters of fire!")
(12) “Here is Leia Amidala Organa, daughter and only child of Bail Organa, last sovereign of Alderaan. Shall she be queen here?”
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 18
(reference: Faramir, Lord of the Rings:
"Here is Aragorn, son of Arathorn, of the line of Isildur. Shall he be king and enter into the City and dwell there?")
(13) “Behold the Queen!”
--Luke, "Revenge," Ch 18
(reference: Faramir, Lord of the Rings:
"Behold the King!")
Memes!
Five Question Meme from treenahasthaal
(1) What is your top fanfic fandom?
My favourite to write fanfic in, at the moment, is Star Wars. I've written in the most in Austen, for many years my main fandom until the fandom ... pretty much burned me out.
(2) Da Vinci or Salvador Dali?
Da Vinci. It's just more my style.
(3) If you could live anywhere in the world, where would that be?
Oh, I don't know. I like Portland, but I'd like to be by at least one of my friends - I'd also love to live for awhile in Derbyshire or Nottinghamshire, where most of my ancestors come from.
(4) What are your five favourite TV shows, and why?
1 - Avatar: the Last Airbender, no question. It's beautiful, has nuanced characters (not just for a cartoon, for epic fantasy, period) with some amazing arcs, it's not all white dudes all the times, and bending is up there with lightsabers as COOLEST THING EVER. And there's other stuff.
2 - She-Ra: Princess of Power. It's so cheesy and so eighties and GIRL HE-MAN only she's her own person and there are fabulous ladies everywhere and ridiculously stupid stormtroopers. It really is like a cheesier SW for little girls. And so much subtext.
3 - Castle: because I love every single person in it. And it has a parent-teenager relationship that isn't "blah blah blah teenagers are all wild and rebellious and disobedient blah blah" while still having conflict and without distracting from the procedural funtimes. And lots of awesome women in something that could easily be all dudes + love interest.
4 - Bones: so very flawed, but Temperance Brennan is one of those characters who ... I never saw anyone like me on TV, ever, and then I saw her and it was like an awesome-ified version of me. It's a bit like how I'll forgive George Lucas anything for putting Leia on my screen - I forgive a lot because BRENNAN.
5 - Batman: The Animated Series. A weird choice because I've only seen a few episodes, but they were flawless and I have to say I almost never see that. Fabulous voice acting, fabulous imagery, fabulous everything.
(5) If you could be any character ever created, who would be?
All of my favourite characters go through horrible things I wouldn't want to endure, but at the same time, I can't think of anything better than being the people they are. Out of all of them ... yeah, it'd have to be Leia. She's pretty everything I ever aspired to. Even in ROTJ.
Five Question Meme from ladyhadhafang
(1) What are your biggest pet peeves in fanfic?
Um, wow, I'm not sure how to choose. Setting aside technical details (grammar, spelling, getting the characters' names wrong...), and fandom-specific details (Regency England/the GFFA/Middle-earth doesn't work that way!), and things I hate in anything whether it's fanfic or not (homophobia, slut-shaming etc), it'd have to be fanon. I don't mind people having their own fanon, but seeing the same unsubstantiated assumptions, all over, for no other reason than "everyone does it" annoys the hell out of me. Sometimes it's something that's simply wrong, but a lot of times it's something that's possible, just not canon.
In SW fandom specifically, it's probably the near-impossibility of finding fic that's not up to its ears in the EU, or shallow the-Dark-Side-is-only-in-your-mind attempts at moral relativism that are completely inconsistent with the movies.
Oh, and I HATE skeevy authority pairings - mostly teacher/student in this fandom. To be honest, I find exploitation of students/foster-children (which is really what underage Jedi are) by those in positions of power and supposed moral authority over them to be completely reprehensible and I think it's horrifying to see it romanticized and normalized - it's one of the only things I'm unwilling to read and I really wish people would warn for it. (I stumbled across Anakin/Ahsoka once. OMG, brain bleach.)
(2) What are your favourite books?
Mansfield Park and Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
Lord of the Rings (etc) by J. R . R. Tolkien
Young Wizards by Diane Duane
Discworld by Terry Pratchett
Cotillion by Georgette Heyer
Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman
The Secret Garden by Frances Hodgson Burnett
and lots more. :D (English major here!)
(3) What are your favourite Nostalgia Critic reviews?
Ooh, a TGWTG one! Let's see.
The Top 11 Saddest Moments (most nostalgic thing I've ever seen OMG LITTLE FOOT'S MOM I'M SIX AGAIN)
The Top 11 Disney Villains (HELL YEAH)
Good Son (somehow he made that enjoyable to watch the Folger's commericals lololol)
Star Wars Christmas (he feels our pain! our entire 30+ year old fandom's pain! and George Lucas' pain! he paid for our sins!)
Top 11 Villain Songs (I've probably watched this more than all of the others put together. Yaaaaaaaaaay.)
Moulin Review (his best review ever imho)
(4) What are the things that bug you must about the SW saga?
For the purposes of space and blood pressure, I'm confining myself to the movies.
- clunky dialogue (worse in the prequels but there in all of them)
- a lot of times coherent (or existent) character arcs get sacrificed for spectacle (esp ROTJ and the prequels)
- constant retcons without any real attempt to smooth the inconsistencies away (ditto - the ESB one is the only one that's really addressed, actually)
- almost all men, especially in anything like major roles, and those that are there get painfully marginalized by the end (Padmé more - much more - than Leia but Leia too)
- inconsistent tone (mostly between the OT and PT, but also between ESB and ROTJ)
I could give specific in-story examples ("wtf Obi-Wan" on so many occasions), but that would go on for pages. So this is a bit meta-y, but they are really the things that bug me overall. Though "overall" is starting to look more like ROTJ + the prequels, which shouldn't be any surprise to anyone. I would be an old school purist if I'd been alive back then. :P
(5) Who are your favourite movie characters?
Luke Skywalker, Leia Skywalker Organa, Anakin Skywalker from SW
Belle (and in a love-to-hate way, Gaston) from Disney's B&tB
Spock!
cheating, but I loved David Gwillim's Henry V
epic foreshadowing meme from ladyhadhafang
(1) Are there any movies you're currently looking forward to?
The Hobbit!
(2) What would you say are the best things about the Harry Potter books?
Compelling world-building. Not necessarily elaborate or thoroughly-considered world building (like Tolkien), but enough thrown in to make it fascinating to a whole ton of people. I think the love for HP is, to a large extent, love for the setting. The Houses and wands and robes and the Ministry and messenger owls and potions and quills and flying paper memos and all of it throw together in a way that, at some level, really works. I also think the characters occupy that nice grey space where they're archetypal enough that they're very familiar and very comfortable but distinct enough to draw our interest; they're also epic enough to be stirring but normal enough to identify with. (It's a bit like SW that way, though I think at least ANH and ESB carry off the ordinary/epic balance better, and generally handle archetypes more smoothly.)
(3) Things everyone else seems to love that you just don't get?
Shipping. Cotton candy. Being angry. Boba Fett. :P
(4) Biggest RL pet peeves?
Various forms of bigotry. People insisting I'm straight (no, please). Likewise, men hitting on me. Social cues! People smoking in my face (I'm asthmatic). Those people who go around my university trying to get me to sign up for things. Student loans. Paperwork. Fellow English/creative writing majors who insist they're not interested in comprehensible grammar and spelling. (Well, you understand what I meant, didn't you? NO. NO, I DIDN'T. THAT'S WHAT GRAMMAR IS FOR.) Streets without cross-walks on them, especially if they cross freeway entrances.
(5) What writer(s) influence you the most?
Jane Austen, Tolkien. Probably Diane Duane and Tamora Pierce, too.
Also, a ton of really bad romance and fantasy authors who I devoured in my READ ANYTHING stage, and who did lots of shit I intensely dislike. So, even as a kid, every time I ran across one I'd make a mental note of "don't do that." My mental checklist of Things That Annoyed Me So I'm Not Going to Do Them is now extremely long.