anghraine: noatak/amon from legend of korra standing atop a waterspout overlooking buildings with equalist flags (noatak [waterspout])
My best friend and I were talking about the ways that Legend of Korra does and doesn't work for us, and particularly about the way it feels very erratic on a craft level where ATLA is pretty consistently good to great, yet ultimately LOK engages us both more. Inevitably, we wound around to a point of firm agreement: excepting Unalaq and Vaatu in B2, we consider the main villains of LOK a lot more personally and thematically interesting than Ozai and this has a weird effect on LOK's politics.

I drafted a far longer post about this [ETA: lmao], but anyway: there are many obviously progressive elements to ATLA. Ozai as a villain is fundamentally aligned with things antithetical to progressive ideals. He is a hereditary autocrat carrying on a multi-generational campaign of imperialism that historically (in the show) has been justified by familiar bigoted, reactionary rationales about civilizing and bringing prosperity to other cultures. He's overwhelmingly authoritarian in every aspect of life—as a ruler, as a conqueror, as a father, as a husband. He's less a person than an embodiment of domination, imperialism, autocracy. And the ultimate solution that ATLA provides for the problem of Ozai is 1) a greater power defeating him in combat and 2) replacing him with a good autocrat.

That's not a charitable characterization of a beautifully executed and emotionally satisfying conclusion. And I think the underlying rationale for that resolution owes more to ATLA's mythic and fantastic structure than to any serious commitment to the "what we really need is a good dictator" form of political discourse that has unfortunately become increasingly common. But solving the problem of imperialism with a Chosen One and a kinder and softer absolute ruler over the imperialists is not ... exactly a radical solution, let's say. It's not that different from, say, Lord of the Rings.

It works for ATLA's story! I just don't feel that this resolution is particularly daring or transgressive in the way that it is sometimes represented as being. Other aspects of ATLA are much more daring and revolutionary than this, but the core politics just don't feel that way to me.

LOK, by contrast, has a lot of centrist-at-best baggage. It would take awhile to detail all of this (the fantasy copaganda is probably the most obvious), but it's especially apparent with the villains. LOK essentially has a revolving door of major villains who are each very different in personality, goals, motives, politics, and symbolic alignments, but thematically unified by one very familiar concept that is obvious even before it's explicitly spelled out in B4.

I've talked about this before in relation to LOK and had plenty of criticism of it (here and here), but the basic idea is this: What if the villain actually has the right idea, but just goes too far?

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anghraine: (korra (b1))
xtoad on Tumblr said:

I've watched a series of videos by Kay & Skittles on Youtube that makes me think that a grey Zaheer could be one who interacts with the people he claims to want to liberate and tries to build his revolution from the ground-up rather than in a purely top-down manner.

I replied:

Hmm, that would certainly be an improved Zaheer.

I guess my difficulty is that it seems like that version would be so improved as to be essentially a good guy. I do think “what if the villains were actually heroic exemplars of their ideologies” is an interesting concept, it’s just not quite the one I’m struggling with—it’s making Noatak and Zaheer fall in that morally-dubious-but-not-evil zone where I’m kind of pulling a blank.

anghraine: avatar korra in the avatar state (korra [avatar state])
chidorinnnnn sent this ask:

In an AU where Aang was NOT the last airbender (because there were people who got away, assimilated within other cities/cultures, etc.), I wonder if it would’ve made sense for Zaheer to be an airbender from day 1 (without any spirit world shenanigans from canon book 2), descended from a population that had rejected the teachings of the air temples. Add to that an explicit acknowledgement from the very beginning that Korra was nearly kidnapped as a child by the Red Lotus, and you’ve got maybe a consistent storyline?

I replied:

Hmm. I’m not sure it quite fits with my vague ideas for grey!Zaheer, but it does actually work really well for a different AU where Zaheer is the B1 villain instead of Amon, because I’d been juggling ideas for how it would work without Harmonic Convergence. Thanks!

anghraine: noatak/amon from legend of korra accidentally waterbending (noatak (waterbending))
I’m thinking some more about the villain AU, and … it’s really easy to downscale Unalaq and Kuvira to ‘morally dubious but not eeeeevil,’ while Amon and Zaheer are much more difficult unless I wind them all the way down to heroic.

Like: AU Unalaq can be both spiritual and politically ambitious without being in league with Vaatu / plotting to replace the Avatar. He’s plotting to influence the Avatar. AU Kuvira can be focused on welding the Earth Kingdom back together while keeping it from being reduced to a puppet state, without the escalation to spirit vines/invasion of RC/etc.

AU Amon is … less indiscriminate, I guess? AU Zaheer is … not murdering people …?

OTOH, fully non-villainous versions: Noatak is an activist ally to non-benders, Zaheer and Unalaq are benevolent spiritual guides of different kinds, while Kuvira is an advocate for Earth Kingdom leadership and autonomy.

Tagged: #idk maybe it's just because i fundamentally can see unalaq and (esp) kuvira taking a middle ground in other circumstances #between heroism and villainy #but it's much harder with noatak and zaheer #then again it's kind of... unalaq and kuvira are introduced as fairly positive figures and are revealed to be menaces #amon and zaheer are /introduced/ as highly dangerous and threatening so you can't just chop off the excess bits #at least not as easily #hmm #hmmmmm
anghraine: noatak/amon from legend of korra standing atop a waterspout overlooking buildings with equalist flags (noatak [waterspout])
I’ve had a sudden idea for an ATLA-LOK gifset, and … I don’t make gifsets.

T_T

Tagged: #okay i've made... three? i think #ever #but my skills are not up to the gifset in my head #i've argued forever that the villains in lok are essentially extreme versions of the element they bend as described by iroh in atla #(well - it's more noatak zaheer kuvira + ozai) #and suddenly ... that would make a cool gifset or gifset series! #but i can't do it :(
anghraine: an enraged korra propels herself in the avatar state (korra (avatar state))
Ugh, I can’t even watch individual LOK fight scenes on YT at this point. I just wanted to watch Korra trashing Zaheer! I'm a simple creature with simple needs. :\

[2021: it's now available via the official Avatar account on YouTube, but just about everything was being taken off for awhile.]

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