anghraine: kirk and uhura from tos are dressed in the glittery horny outfits of their mirror counterparts; kirk gently holds uhura's shoulders while reassuring her of her importance (kirk and uhura [brotp])
In response to this post, [personal profile] venndaai responded:

I'm so so glad you liked TOS! I love it and it's so fun when a friend loves something you love despite all its flaws :D

I replied:

<3333 Thank you so much! I'm also thrilled that I ended up loving it so much, flaws notwithstanding. HONESTLY I was thinking of messaging you specifically about looking for "Requiem for Methuselah" fic and discovering a few desperate attempts to cast the final scene as fodder for het Spock somehow, because I was like "Venn would understand the depth of LMAO NOPE that I am feeling right now"

[ETA 4/28/2025: the context of my reply is that Venn and I have talked multiple times over the many years of our friendship about their general preference for m/m over m/f and mine for m/f over m/m, though both of us like other configurations, esp f/f.]

bailesu also responded:

Turnabout Intruder always makes me bonkers because the whole 'no women in high command' thing makes no sense when women are seen in the chain of command! And it never gets referenced again. But i love TOS too.

I replied on Jan 30th:

ngl I don't remember any women being given command of a starship in TOS, though there's one among the Romulans. Of course there were no more episodes of TOS because it got cancelled, so it's hard to say if it would have gone anywhere or not (certainly I would not trust TOS to handle it well, lmao). Personally I would prefer that legacy franchises engage with in-world misogyny rather than handwaving it away, but... well, that's me.

[personal profile] sqbr responded on Jan 30th:

Are you going to watch the movies? They're actually what got me into Star Trek but since I was 14 I make no claims as to objective quality.

I replied:

Yes!! We're planning on watching TMP this weekend :D

[personal profile] sqbr responded:

Nice! Curious to hear your thoughts, though I have only seen 2-6 myself
anghraine: kirk and spock stare at each other in a turbolift on the enterprise; their shadows projected on the wall behind them are nearly touching (kirk/spock [turbolift])
Technicallyyyyy it’s Thursday (12:28 AM!), but [personal profile] brynnmclean tagged me in WIP Wednesday (thank you!!!) and I dutifully worked on some other projects before giving up and following my heart.

And what my heart wanted was … well. Okay. Look, I know, I know, but nobody can be that surprised:

S’paak had no way of knowing which Starfleet officer would receive command of the Enterprise after Captain Pike’s promotion, if promotion it could be called. It must be called that, of course, by the wish of Captain Pike himself, and by what all evidence suggested was a collective agreement from the highest ranks of the service. Therefore, the captain was promoted, and soon she would answer to a different man.

She had no data to aid speculation as to the nature, character, or identity of the person who would replace Captain Pike, since nobody in the crew, including S’paak, was privy to their superiors’ deliberations. Accordingly, she did not join the other crew members in guesswork about their new captain, even in the privacy of her own quarters—or her own mind. After all, to a disciplined intellect, there was little difference between the two, and she did not know who was even under consideration. Contemplating the matter would not produce greater knowledge.

Even with no particular expectations or thoughts about the forthcoming captain of the Enterprise, she felt an unfamiliar trace of surprise when she received the actual notification about it. She, S’paak, would be first officer on the ship, and as such, had been granted priority status with regard to personnel changes. No one else on the crew yet knew the name of the chosen captain.

The privileges of seniority did not startle her. The identity of her captain did, a little.

S’paak considered the notification a second time.

Commanding officer of the USS
Enterprise: Kirk, Jessica T. (Cpt).

She knew virtually nothing of Captain Kirk, though the name sounded faintly familiar, enough that she thought it likely that she had heard it in some context in the past that had not struck her as worth committing to memory. A regrettable lapse, if easy enough to rectify with the many tools available to her. But S'paak had not expected that Starfleet would appoint a woman to Captain Pike’s position. Certainly not a young woman, as the (small and poor-quality) picture accompanying the name suggested Kirk was.

S’paak herself was not so illogical as to suppose that gender impeded a Starfleet officer’s capabilities in itself. But she had better reason than most to know that the practices of the Federation did not always resemble their ideals as closely as might be wished. Captain Kirk must have some unusual qualities, experiences, or connections—or some combination thereof—to rise so far at such an age.

“Fascinating,” S’paak murmured.

Tagged: #i would tag people but it's. uh. thursday #ALSO there is a method to the various choices made here i swear #also i am not AS hostile to post-tos sources as i am to the sweu etc but it's been years since i saw any of them #and i'm not concerned with accommodating long after the fact 'canon' material. this sparks joy (for me personally) and that is enough

[ETA 4/18/2025: After watching all the original ST movies, I feel more strongly than ever that ST is really many canons in a trenchcoat—engaging with each other but not actually compatible. This is especially the case with regard to Spock and Kirk, who take the biggest character arc hits via pop culture-ification and the soft reboot in even the original films, and only more over time (cf. the famous "Kirk Drift" article). I think movie Spock's arc is basically completely reset while defining him MUCH more by Vulcan culture throughout the films, but also swapping his and Kirk's TOS priorities pretty substantially. Kirk was often defined by The Good of the Many in TOS—few things infuriated him more than threats or harm to his crew, esp en masse—and I don't think it was TOS Spock's philosophy for a single moment. I also don't think that TOS Spock was truly all that normative as far as Vulcans are concerned; he often went out of his way to emphasize that he's half-human, his navigation of Vulcan identity was extremely fraught, and the function of that aspect of his arc was an attempt, however flawed, to engage with biracial problems specifically. So yeah, I super don't feel any need to bow to the movies or TNG or whatever, they're their own things—sometimes great, certainly engaging with TOS at times, but in an Aeneid to TOS's Iliad sort of way for me. And I do appreciate that ST historically has seemed less obsessed with welding a bunch of wildly disparate and not especially compatible projects into a single "canon."]

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