anghraine: vader extending his lightsaber; text: and now for the airing of grievances! (Default)
You know, the thing about the history of fanfiction is that I don't think (for instance) that Shakespeare's plays based on pre-existing narratives are actually fanfiction in the contemporary sense. But I certainly do not respect any take on fanfic and its relationship to its source materials that does not engage at all with the very, very, very long history of human beings responding to pre-existing stories by re-telling and re-imagining those specific* stories in a wide variety of ways, often within the same or a similar medium.

People have always done this. The laws and norms and expectations around it do change, the forms it takes change, but the practice of responding to stories by drawing directly on those stories to create other versions of them is not unique to modern fanfiction. If your argument about fanfic (especially if it's ones about the unique evils of fanfic) is contingent upon assumptions or assertions about that general practice rather than anything specific to modern fanfic in particular, your argument is short-sighted, painfully ahistorical, and poorly reasoned.

Like, here's a very obvious example. My favorite Shakespeare tragedy is King Lear. The story told in King Lear was drawn from the pre-existing narratives around the mythical King Leir. This had recently appeared in the anonymous play King Leir (which seems to date from the 1590s, while Shakespeare's Lear was written in the very early 1600s). A version of the story shows up in Edmund Spenser's The Faerie Queene (published in the 1590s as well). Shakespeare integrated other narratives into the core Leir story he took from the King Leir play written and performed just a few years earlier (most of the extra narratives in King Lear also have pretty obvious pre-existing sources). Famously, Shakespeare altered details of the traditional story in this process, and especially of the King Leir version, to suit his artistic preferences. In some versions, for instance, Cordelia survives the events of the main Leir story only to be killed years later. Shakespeare didn't even come up with the idea of Cordelia dying tragically after initially seeming triumphant (one of his main changes from King Leir). But he integrated her death into the main story in a more cohesive and streamlined way than it was generally done.

So Shakespeare didn't invent the essential narrative of Leir/Lear. He didn't invent most of the characters in it. He didn't even "file off the serial numbers" in the modern phrase; the characters are meant to be recognized as those familiar, pre-existing characters to a contemporary audience. Part of the power of the play for its original audience would come from their familiarity with other versions of the story and characters. In general, say, they would expect Cordelia's return to the story as an ally of Lear's, but not Cordelia and Lear's tragic defeat. Modern audiences unfamiliar with any other version of the story can still register the shock and horror and bleakness of Shakespeare's handling of it, but not usually in the way that an audience of the time would have registered it. The power of the conventional Leir narrative was such that in later years, Shakespeare's version would get "corrected" back to the established Leir story as appearing in things like King Leir. It was only much, much later that the King Lear of Shakespeare would be regularly performed as he wrote it, without making it more digestible to then-contemporary sensibilities or closer to the "canon" he was working off of.

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I didn’t manage to stick it out and finish the Metamorphoses yesterday (in fairness, I had a three-hour phone call) BUT I just finished it now!! All 470-odd pages.

The summaries of the Aeneid were … well, clearly summaries of the Aeneid, but at least easy to breeze through, the pages arguing for vegetarianism were not breezy but at least unexpected and interesting, and “The Deification of Caesar” was honestly kind of hilarious (but reinforced Augustus == earthly Jupiter with all the complicatedness that entails). And then there’s the conclusion, lol:

if a sacred poet
Has any power to prophesy the truth,
Throughout the ages I will live on in fame.

Well, he’s not wrong!

Tagged: #he has a whole stanza about how he'll be remembered forever and i kind of love it
anghraine: rows of old-fashioned books lining shelves (books)
And so, Achilles, you conquered everyone
But you yourself were conquered by a coward
Who abducted a married Greek woman.

Damn, Ovid.

Tagged: #i mean ... no lies detected
anghraine: a picture of multnomah falls in oregon: a tall waterfall with a wooden bridge connecting either side (multnomah)

I’m going to get through the Metamorphoses today if it kills me. Currently at Book 11 (pg 304 in my edition) and:

“Peleus was fortunate in his son and his wife
And everything else, except for the crime
Of murdering Phocus, his brother.”

Well, except that little thing.

Tagged: #i know that this is not what anyone followed me for and y'all deserve a prize for sticking around

anghraine: an armoured woman with a sword against a gold background (éowyn (pelennor))
Atalanta manages to get a shot in at Diana’s boar, but there is always That Asshole, and this one (Ancaeus) goes:

“All right, boys, let’s find out how much a man’s weapons
Outweigh a girl’s. Leave this to me. I don’t care
If Diana herself protects this boar with her arrows.
I’m taking this animal down, Diana or not!” (8.444-7)

*five minutes later*

Cause of death: boar.

Tagged: #i do appreciate that ovid smacks down misogynistic hubris at pretty much every opportunity #i mean... all hubris. but there is a special flavor to this kind
anghraine: an illustration of the greek goddess athena with dark hair (athena)
Diana:

“This will not go unpunished,” she said to herself.
“Although we may be unhonored, it will not be said
We are unavenged.”

Literally no one is saying that, Diana

Tagged: #asdfjk;adsk there's a guy who prays to apollo to guide his blow against diana's beast and apollo even tries to answer #diana is just FUCK THAT and breaks the iron off his spear #it's terrible but i kind of love her anyway

anghraine: adora from spop, transformed into she-ra, narrowing her eyes in anger (adora (angry))
Back to reading:

Gods can get really angry. (8.323)

no shit, Ovid

Tagged: #i like him by and large and mostly enjoy his running commentaries but sometimes it's just like #REALLY

 
anghraine: a photo of green rolling hills against a purply sky (hertfordshire) (herts)
Pluto and Proserpina/Hades and Persephone in Ovid is uhhhh

[CW rape]

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anghraine: vader's pyre; text: redemption (anakin [vader's pyre])
I’ve reached Book 3 of the Metamorphoses and appreciated this bit:

“And now Thebes stood, and you could seem, Cadmus,
Happy even in exile …
But a man’s last day
Must always be awaited, and no one counted happy
Until he has died and received due burial.” (3.140-41, 145-47)

Cheers!

Tagged: #thanks ovid
anghraine: a picture of multnomah falls in oregon: a tall waterfall with a wooden bridge connecting either side (multnomah)
I’m currently 25 pgs into the Metamorphoses, and the gods have managed to be even worse assholes than I expected!

I guess Apollo has some excuse in being struck by Cupid’s arrow, but literally the first thing Jupiter says to Io is:

“Virgin worthy of Jove, clearly destined to make
Some man or other happy in your bed,
You should find some shade over there in the woods”

>_<

Tagged: #yes yes values dissonance but also: the fuck? #also i'm not sure it is /that/ much values dissonance; the introduction argues that the gods are deliberately written as capricious tyrants #in any case jupiter is so relentlessly terrible that it is all the more satisfying that ovid explicitly compares augustus to him
anghraine: choppy water on a misty day (sea)
Starting the Metamorphoses, and already:

“And while other animals look on all fours at the ground
He gave to humans an upturned face, and told them to lift
Their eyes to the stars.”

<3

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