anghraine: vader extending his lightsaber; text: and now for the airing of grievances! (Default)
I get some really weird corrections sometimes.

Tagged: #i was going to say it's mostly sw but actually no #austen fandom does a lot of it and tolkien fandom is like ... whew #but sw fandom does have its own particular flavor of condescension

[ETA 4/20/2024: I am about 90% sure this was about people correcting my fic/meta with factoids from SWEU byproducts no matter how many times I say that I don't take those into consideration, and often on the very posts and fics that specifically say that.]
anghraine: david rintoul as darcy in the 1980 p&p in a red coat (darcy (1980))
My best friend and I had an interesting, fairly wide-ranging conversation about the distinctions between adaptation, retellings, fanfiction, other forms of directly intertextual storytelling (à la Wide Sargasso Sea, Lavinia etc), covers (as in music), heavily illustrated editions of texts, collage, sampling, novelizations, ekphrasis generally, translation, and inspiration.

The distinctions here are mainly ones that he makes and I do not. For me, all of these things are on a spectrum or scatterplot of something like intertextuality. As I was saying on Tumblr the other day (re: fanfiction), I don’t actually think that most of these kinds of terminology reflect coherently defined art forms at all. They reflect norms, values, and conventions shaped by laws and corporations and other economic/cultural concerns, not any consistent system of understanding intertextuality more broadly.

This is a frequent point of disagreement between him and me, because he prefers to refine terms like these into … philosophical coherence, I guess? So he’ll say, well, I think of the term as more specifically meaning X, not Y, and that lets us examine the different approaches that X and Y take in a more systematic, artistically formal way. (As in the linked post, this is formal in the sense of form not as in propriety.)

And I’m like … it does, yes, but I don’t think that kind of re-definition corresponds to the meanings of those terms in actual usage. Narrowing the definitions imposes a coherence and logic to these distinctions that I don’t think actually exists. It’s more like a grab bag of imprecise, overlapping categories defined by values and customs and legal practice than anything they’re doing artistically.

Him: inconsistent laws and customs are kind of arbitrary and uninteresting in terms of theorizing categories of art, though.

Me: not to me, but anyway, I think the way we theorize art is very profoundly shaped by modern customs and laws to a degree we often can't even see, and words are defined by usage, not philosophical convenience.

(Yeah, we’re super fun at parties. But seriously, this is how we’ve talked since high school.)

Regardless, his theory is that adaptation is actually a narrower category of intertextual art than in casual (or academic) usage. His view is that an adaptation is an attempt to represent the actual source; there may be new material added, and some of the original material may be removed, but there is an effort to preserve not just character outlines or plot structure or elements of setting, but considerable amounts of the original source, usually in a different medium than the original. A re-telling, on the other hand, is a work that re-casts the source material into new language and sometimes generic (as in genre) form.

This is all according to him, not me. I think all storytelling of this kind = re-telling and that there is no hard line separating these approaches, just gradations of variance.

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anghraine: vader extending his lightsaber; text: and now for the airing of grievances! (Default)
[personal profile] elperian responded to this post:

I still think the best way to be with the [Star Wars] EU is mutually agreed upon fanfic, with allowances for separate agreements along the timeline. I, for example, don’t care to know anything past maybe 8 years out from ROTJ. I know I may be an outlier with these mutual agreements though.

I replied:

Honestly, if people treated it more as a semi-continuity-sharing fic archive, I’d … still be indifferent to a lot, but probably not actively antagonistic. But as a semi-canon that gets shoved down people’s throats even while it’s subject to being negated by the corporate overlords at any moment … yeah, that’s always going to bother me.
anghraine: anh luke playing with a model starship; text: dreamer (luke [dreamer])
*after discussing SW for an hour and a half*

me: honestly, I’ve had people ask me questions about the expanded universe to prove my nerdiness.

best friend: …you really don’t need to prove that.

me: well, there’s the thing where you’re less of a fan if you don’t know about the [Star Wars] EU, even though my thing is that I do know about it, I just dislike it.

best friend: you own and have read Splinter of the Mind’s Eye. I think you’re good.

me: it’s bad, though. Just … interestingly bad.

*cue discussion of Splinter of the Mind’s Eye for twenty minutes*

Tagged: #it is in no way canon but nobody will tear luke's space duolingo account from my headcanon
anghraine: anh luke playing with a model starship; text: dreamer (luke [dreamer])
I am not a fan of expanded universes generally and the SW ones in particular, but otoh … I absolutely love the idea from Splinter of the Mind’s Eye that Luke was so incredibly bored on Tatooine that he downloaded Space Duolingo and learned a bunch of languages for the hell of it.

#i mean. i headcanon that he was brought up bilingual anyway #but that aside i'm genuinely delighted with the idea of luke getting so bored and irritated that he was like #running through huttish conjugations in his head #owen: *lecturing about the importance of hard work and discipline* #luke: wait blast it that one's irregular #OBVIOUSLY it has......other issues but i do like that detail #sweu critical #but not really! #on this one special occasion!
anghraine: vader's entrance in anh; text: i think i speak for everyone when i say mwahahahahahaha (anakin [muahahahaha])
I reblogged an old post from 2013:

Darth Vader was too much the Emperor's puppet to go against Palpatine's wishes.
—Prince Xizor, Shadows of the Empire


2020 addition: I still take an unholy amount of pleasure in Xizor's downfall.
anghraine: vader's entrance in anh; text: i think i speak for everyone when i say mwahahahahahaha (anakin [muahahahaha])
An anon said:

The last chapter of your fic reminded me of one of SW comics, Darth Vader Annual #2. If you ever decide to give it a chance you can easily find it to read online. But summarizing it, Vader had a hand in the destruction of the Death Star. He was the one who told (or more accurately, made a droid tell then auto-destruct itself) Galen Erso’s wife about the Empire’s plans of destroying planets so she could inform Galen. He didn’t do it out of goodness, only out of spite and resentment, but still.

I replied:

Hmm. I’m torn, because on the one hand, I’m always for anything that acknowledges and emphasizes Vader’s antipathy towards the Death Star (however it’s attributed!), but on the other, I don’t care for the galaxy-shrinking explanations for everything that prevails in the SWEU. IDK.

anghraine: leia and luke at the end of rotj; text: there was some kinky shit going in the galaxy far, far away (luke/leia [kinky shit])
addfjkadfjk;a

I’ve been very slowly unpacking the boxes of books I put away during undergrad, and in the final box, my long-lost great treasure at last turned up:

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anghraine: jyn erso during the jedha mission (shoulders up) (jyn [jedha])
I've heard that people were complaining that the benevolent Jyn of Forces of Destiny is OOC because she's so selfish or some nonsense, and ... yeah, bullshit. 

Jyn lives a lot in her head—she gets portrayed as a lot more overtly aggressive and emotionally-driven than I think she is—and her conscious approach to the world is definitely one of self-preservation. (Some of this is pure survival, but that's a tangent.) But when she does act without thinking, her instincts are heroic, without any regard for her own safety. She rushes into the crossfire to protect the little girl on Jedha, she flings herself in front of Kay (of all people) at the sign of danger, she rushes down to find her father in the midst of Imperial troops, knowing that a sniper rifle is trained on the area (not as purely disinterested, but still disregarding her own safety).

So, nah, Jyn impulsively flipping into helping a sad kid+fucking up Imperials is completely consistent with her character in the movie. Personally, I assumed from her unhesitating heroism on Jedha (...and her rap sheet) that she would have been doing that sort of thing all along—not constantly, but regularly. For all the HOW DARE around her, she's honestly pretty good-natured.

Also, favourite epiphany of the week? FoD!Jyn is wearing the clothes she picked up at Yavin 4, specifically the scarf she wears on Jedha. Not only is it consistent with her character in the movie, it happens during the movie. Cassian and Kay are just out of sight somewhere!

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anghraine: vader extending his lightsaber; text: and now for the airing of grievances! (distressing damsel)
...to quote Darth Vaarsuvius.

This isn't fic -- I'm going to try and post Lucy in a few chunks, starting tomorrow, and then move on to First Impressions. No, this is just me complaining about a trope I hate, with respect to one of the Star Wars expanded universe's novels and Pride and Prejudice. (Doesn't everyone think of these things together?)

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anghraine: vader extending his lightsaber; text: and now for the airing of grievances! (Default)
I've been meaning to do this for awhile, and I guess -- here goes.

Ten Things George Lucas Has Said That Don't Fill My Soul With Rage

I'm not sure if this counts as one step beyond. )


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Title: Revenge of the Jedi (3/17)

Fanverse: Revenge of the Jedi

Blurb: Luke becomes more adept with the Force and starts experimenting. Also, moar backstory!

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