anghraine: a screenshot of fitzwilliam and georgiana darcy standing together in the 1980 p&p miniseries (darcys (1980))
Rambling about family relationships based on my research for my PhD exams (16th- to 18th-century British literature):

One of the things that came up in my reading for my exams was, inevitably, ~the rise of the companionate marriage~. The usual framing is often over-simplistic and very heterocentric; people sometimes talk as if there was no concept of marriage involving romantic ties (sometimes even exclusive romantic ties!) until the 17th/18th century or something.

That said
, IMO there’s something to it, at least in England. As someone who had mostly done research in the 18th and earlier 19th centuries, 16th-century takes on marriage often sound like they come from Earth 2. Over time, there’s more and more emphasis on the ties of marriage, companionship, and parenthood in cultural discourse, with other family relationships increasingly subordinated to those, even while ideas from earlier periods about the importance of those other family relationships persisted in some ways.

Like, there was a lot of talk about how brothers were supposed to care for the interests of their siblings, especially their unmarried sisters, but there’s also a lot of talk about how that was increasingly not happening, and how the ties between brothers and sisters were becoming less important and less reliable as a "net" for unmarried women.

Men increasingly resented their sisters for taking resources that would otherwise go to their wives and children, or simply denied them meaningful resources altogether in favor of focusing on their own wives/children. It was a really well-established dynamic by the time that Wollstonecraft wrote about it in Vindication of the Rights of Woman and Austen in Sense and Sensibility.

One of the things that S&S highlights is that John and Fanny Dashwood’s son does not need the resources that are denied to John’s sisters. He already has a comfortable separate inheritance. John prioritizes Fanny and Harry over his sisters both because of his character and because doing so had become very culturally normalized by then.

By the 20th century (at least in the UK and US), people prioritizing their spouses and children over their siblings or other connections was and is often going to seem "well, of course they would." But the degree to which that is the case is really influenced by cultural norms and expectations. Going back to Austen (surprise), she has an intriguing passage about it that speaks to the shifts in how the sibling tie was seen and experienced:
An advantage this, a strengthener of love, in which even the conjugal tie is beneath the fraternal. Children of the same family, the same blood, with the same first associations and habits, have some means of enjoyment in their power, which no subsequent connections can supply; and it must be by a long and unnatural estrangement, by a divorce which no subsequent connection can justify, if such precious remains of the earliest attachments are ever entirely outlived. Too often, alas! it is so.—Fraternal love, sometimes almost every thing, is at others worse than nothing.
I don’t even have siblings (sort of surrogate siblings, but not people I was actually brought up with), but I do find the evolution and melancholy over this really interesting. And I do think that a lot of the, hmm, enthusiasm over the rise of the “companionate marriage” tends to ignore the cost of it.

Tagged: #i am pretty sure this is why austen keeps returning to darcy's sense of responsibility and deep affection for his sister #and why elizabeth thinks his way of talking about georgiana should have told her about his character #i've seen people be like 'just bc you care about your own family members doesn't mean you're a good person wtf' about that #but it was a big deal at the time! #wickham brings it up as something that people in general praise darcy for too #obviously this was of really immediate concern for austen herself #but plenty of people write about it over the years #and it's just ... idk #complicated

[ETA 5/28/2024: this is actually extremely relevant to my dissertation and something I was literally just writing about today!]

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kungfunurse said:

Hiya! So I’m re-reading S&S (as one does) and I’ve got a couple of questions. 1) Do you think Mr. Palmer is on the autistic spectrum? The way he misses most social cues and whatnot - idk. And 2) Would it have been normal at the time for Marianne to go months without hearing from Willoughby and still not suspect that he’s lost interest, or was this another example of her being lost in fantasy? Thanks!!

I replied:

1) I honestly don’t know. I haven’t read S&S in a long time, so it’s hard to say. I’ll keep an eye out next time, though!

2) Willoughby couldn’t write openly to Marianne without raising very serious general expectations, so that’s probably how she justifies his silence to herself.

As a sidenote, this is why Darcy hand-delivers his letter to Elizabeth—it would be exceptionally awkward for her if he sent a letter. It’s also significant that the Gardiners wonder if he’s going to send a letter/note after Elizabeth when they leave Pemberley—they’re guessing that Elizabeth and Darcy’s relationship has advanced much further than it really has.
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In response to the Austen meme, an anon asked:

2, 4, and 8?

I replied:

:)

2) Favorite Austen man

Darcy, predictably!

4) Favorite quote from the books?

Oh, there are so many! I’m really fond of “Let other pens dwell on guilt and misery,” though.

8) Least favorite couple?

As far as the main couples go, Marianne and Brandon. They barely interact and the language of the end is pretty distasteful to me.

Least favorite couple overall is … well, there are worse characters than either, but it is really hard to outclass Mr and Mrs Bennet for mutual awfulness.
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For the Austen meme, an anon asked:

6, 12, 15 and 29 for the Austen asks

Thanks, anon!

6) Favorite movie adaptation

Clueless
!

12) Least favorite Austen heroine

Hmm. It’s the easy answer, but Marianne Dashwood. She’s … fine for what she is, I just find her grating and her arc super uncomfortable.

15) Favorite love confession from the films

Hmmmm.

I honestly don’t know. I tend to find them all a bit ‘eh,’ tbh. Maybe Clueless as well, honestly.

29) Character you most relate to

Haha, an easy one! Fitzwilliam Darcy by a mile.
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This has nothing to do with the last post per se, but one of my favourite things about imagining the characters of different Austen novels encountering each other is taking account of when the different books were written rather than making them immediate contemporaries. It’s not better, it’s just super entertaining to me personally.

Like, people talk about what, say, Elizabeth would think of Emma—but Elizabeth was invented in 1796 and Emma in 1814. How does Emma come across to a nearly forty-year-old Elizabeth Darcy? 1815 sees the events of Persuasion resolved in Bath. If the Tilneys are also in Bath, what would Catherine (created in 1798), think of Anne Elliot, some seven years her junior? Does Marianne Dashwood (who first emerged around 1795), sympathize with Fanny Price (created ~1813)?

I don’t know, but it’s fun to consider!

tags )
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[personal profile] heckofabecca asked:

Who are your favorite Austen sibling pairs, and how would you rate them in order of most to MOSTEST favorite?

I replied:

Hmm! Let’s see … some of the ranking is easy, and some not so much, but I’m inclined to go:

7. Jane and Elizabeth Bennet—there’s not much to say, it’s just a sweet and strong dynamic that functions perfectly within the wider novel.

6. Elinor and Marianne Dashwood—never mind the love interests, their love is the beating heart of S&S.

5. Sophy and Frederick Wentworth—it’s really enjoyable to see 30-something siblings who are frank and upfront and affectionate, even with their differences.

4. James and Catherine Morland—both rather sweet and refreshingly normal, lol.

3. William and Fanny Price—the “no subsequent connection” passage about them is one of my favourites in all of Austen! <3

2. Mary and Henry Crawford—I like me my morally dubious schemers, and morally dubious schemers who are loving family and loyal friends (to each other) are like catnip.

1. Fitzwilliam and Georgiana Darcy—there was absolutely no other possibility for this slot, I adore them individually and I especially love them as a pair.

Of Georgiana: Her brother’s recommendation was enough to ensure her favour; his judgment could not err.

Of Darcy: There is nothing he would not do for her.
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salazarastark on Tumblr asked:

So I'm going through your Austen tags and I really love it. It seems like you're articulating things that I've never been able too, or making me think of things I never would have. I have a couple questions that I love to see your response to, but I either can't seem to find them or you don't have them answered. If you don't mind, what are your opinions on a.) when the novels take place and b.) what the heroines would think of each other?

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Trying to finish some things up (mostly because f_fa made me feel guilty, lol), but for now, more memeing!

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Days 8 & 9

Oct. 17th, 2012 07:54 pm
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Ugh, had my neuroscience exam today. I feel much the same way about neuroscience as I do about my stats class: struggling to get through it now, planning to forget everything once it's over. Also, I'm discovering that some meals just shouldn't come out of a box.

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ship meme

Dec. 16th, 2009 09:04 pm
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I've never really been into memes, but I stumbled across this at [personal profile] sixbeforelunch 's dw, and thought "huh, why not?"  So - yeah, here goes:

six pairings I love:

(1)  Darcy/Elizabeth, Pride and Prejudice (book only)

(2)  Booth/Brennan, Bones

(3)  Anne/Gilbert, Anne of Green Gables

(4)  Cor/Aravis, Narnia

(5)  Harry/Luna, Harry Potter

(6)  Eric/Ariel, The Little Mermaid

three pairings I like:

(7)  William the Conqueror/Matilda of Flanders, RL

(8)  Colonel Fitzwilliam/Mary Crawford, Pride and Prejudice/Mansfield Park

(9)  James/Lily, Harry Potter

three pairings I never liked:

(10)  Ginny/Harry, Harry Potter

(11)  Marianne/Brandon, Sense and Sensibility

(12)  Georgiana/Colonel Fitzwilliam, Pride and Prejudice

two pairings that piqued my interest:

(13)  Mary Lennox/Colin Craven, The Secret Garden

(14)  Georgiana/the earl's heir, Pride and Prejudice


20 questions (actually eighteen?) )

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[reposted from wordpress]

Back when I was in high school, my entire class had to take these tests for a health class – I was an INTJ, to my utter non-surprise.  Then, when I went into college two years later, I took it again – INTP.  Since I was always a borderline J anyway, and also a bit off my head at the time, also not surprised.  The other day, I took it at work, again, and I was back to my old INTJ-ness.  Which was awesome, because I get – er – more P-ish when I’m not quite well.  Anyway, I took the link over to the ‘these are what INTJs are like, and these are some examples’.  The RL examples were pretty cool, but not half as much as the fictional ones.

Hannibal Lecter, Fitzwilliam Darcy, and Gandalf the Grey.  It just doesn’t get cooler than that.

 

Analyse here . . . )

 

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[repost from wordpress]

Awhile ago, I happened across Maya’s (sarahtales’s) theory of Snack Food characterisation. It goes something like this:

Reasonably well developed characters come in three basic types: the Angst Muffin, the Sandwich, and the Pastry. 
 

Continue the snack here . . . )

 

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