anghraine: a screenshot of fitzwilliam and georgiana darcy standing together in the 1980 p&p miniseries (darcys (1980))
Rambling about family relationships based on my research for my PhD exams (16th- to 18th-century British literature):

One of the things that came up in my reading for my exams was, inevitably, ~the rise of the companionate marriage~. The usual framing is often over-simplistic and very heterocentric; people sometimes talk as if there was no concept of marriage involving romantic ties (sometimes even exclusive romantic ties!) until the 17th/18th century or something.

That said
, IMO there’s something to it, at least in England. As someone who had mostly done research in the 18th and earlier 19th centuries, 16th-century takes on marriage often sound like they come from Earth 2. Over time, there’s more and more emphasis on the ties of marriage, companionship, and parenthood in cultural discourse, with other family relationships increasingly subordinated to those, even while ideas from earlier periods about the importance of those other family relationships persisted in some ways.

Like, there was a lot of talk about how brothers were supposed to care for the interests of their siblings, especially their unmarried sisters, but there’s also a lot of talk about how that was increasingly not happening, and how the ties between brothers and sisters were becoming less important and less reliable as a "net" for unmarried women.

Men increasingly resented their sisters for taking resources that would otherwise go to their wives and children, or simply denied them meaningful resources altogether in favor of focusing on their own wives/children. It was a really well-established dynamic by the time that Wollstonecraft wrote about it in Vindication of the Rights of Woman and Austen in Sense and Sensibility.

One of the things that S&S highlights is that John and Fanny Dashwood’s son does not need the resources that are denied to John’s sisters. He already has a comfortable separate inheritance. John prioritizes Fanny and Harry over his sisters both because of his character and because doing so had become very culturally normalized by then.

By the 20th century (at least in the UK and US), people prioritizing their spouses and children over their siblings or other connections was and is often going to seem "well, of course they would." But the degree to which that is the case is really influenced by cultural norms and expectations. Going back to Austen (surprise), she has an intriguing passage about it that speaks to the shifts in how the sibling tie was seen and experienced:
An advantage this, a strengthener of love, in which even the conjugal tie is beneath the fraternal. Children of the same family, the same blood, with the same first associations and habits, have some means of enjoyment in their power, which no subsequent connections can supply; and it must be by a long and unnatural estrangement, by a divorce which no subsequent connection can justify, if such precious remains of the earliest attachments are ever entirely outlived. Too often, alas! it is so.—Fraternal love, sometimes almost every thing, is at others worse than nothing.
I don’t even have siblings (sort of surrogate siblings, but not people I was actually brought up with), but I do find the evolution and melancholy over this really interesting. And I do think that a lot of the, hmm, enthusiasm over the rise of the “companionate marriage” tends to ignore the cost of it.

Tagged: #i am pretty sure this is why austen keeps returning to darcy's sense of responsibility and deep affection for his sister #and why elizabeth thinks his way of talking about georgiana should have told her about his character #i've seen people be like 'just bc you care about your own family members doesn't mean you're a good person wtf' about that #but it was a big deal at the time! #wickham brings it up as something that people in general praise darcy for too #obviously this was of really immediate concern for austen herself #but plenty of people write about it over the years #and it's just ... idk #complicated

[ETA 5/28/2024: this is actually extremely relevant to my dissertation and something I was literally just writing about today!]

anghraine: a screenshot of fitzwilliam and georgiana darcy standing together in the 1980 p&p miniseries (darcys (1980))
So, at the end of Pride and Prejudice, Georgiana learns from Elizabeth that what a nearly 30-year-old man will accept from his 16-year-old sister/ward is not actually a model for how husbands and wives behave towards each other.

It seems that while Georgiana is initially unsettled by Elizabeth’s behavior towards Darcy, she (Georgiana) comes to accept that it’s fine for Elizabeth to treat Darcy in a very different way than Georgiana can treat him, with the implication that Georgiana herself will approach her own eventual husband very differently than she does Darcy (whom, we hear repeatedly, she regards as almost her father).

Of course, sometimes people take this to mean that Darcy and Georgiana’s relationship is actually ~problematic, and either he’s tyrannizing over her (intentionally or unintentionally) or, at the very least, the dynamic between them isn’t quite right. I unsurprisingly disagree; I think it’s perfectly fine for their relationship to verge on father-daughter when he’s much older and literally raised her, and that it will likely become somewhat less unbalanced as Georgiana fully grows up.

Meanwhile, an essay I read the other day takes it one step farther and argues that not only is Darcy tyrannizing over Georgiana, it indicates that he will also tyrannize over Elizabeth. Like … how you get from “Georgiana learns that this relationship isn’t what husband-wife relationships look like” to “actually this relationship is what Elizabeth and Darcy’s relationship will look like” is kind of beyond me, except in an academia edgelord sort of way. Bleh.

Tagged: #the essay also completely ignored the explicit 'darcy and elizabeth were always grateful for their marriage' hea statement #like most of those sorts of takes do #and i ended up using it for my exam anyway #not that argument - a different part of it that was fine and relevant #i genuinely do think that pulling valuable aspects out of flawed work is okay and even important #but it still felt a bit dirty lol #thinking about it though #i've seen the attitude in fandom too #not the 'darcy will tyrannize over elizabeth' thing of course (...much) but #that the dynamic between a teenager and her 28-y-o guardian should be like everyday sibs and it's like... uh. no #even if we're setting the vast differences between 1795/1813 and 2021 aside #but i think part of the reason it annoys me so much is that i actually find the darcy-georgiana relationship really interesting #in how they're partially distanced bc of the age/authority gap yet also in other ways all the closer because of it #there's this repeated emphasis of how they're almost like father and daughter but it's always 'almost' and not quite there #like ... they're kind of stuck in this in-between space with very little personal direction and figured out this thing that works for them #and like. she's more talkative when he's around and they write long-ass letters to each other and-and-and #it /does/ work and the immensity of georgiana's love and respect is what ultimately saved her from wickham #i think it's both complicated and sweet and they're doing their best in a very human way
anghraine: a painting of a couple walking on the lawn of haddon hall in derbyshire (pemberley (haddon))
[personal profile] heckofabecca responded to this post:

<3 <3 <3

hard for me to follow how exactly everyone’s related without the visual aid of a family tree, but does that stop me loving this? ABSOLUTELY NOT, KEEP IT COMING


I replied:

Thank you! Here are charts and a guide:






The characters in red are the ones who are still alive c. 1796: Lady Georgiana Carteret née Howard (mother of Darcy’s father); Georgiana Harcourt née Carteret (half-sister of Darcy’s father); Philadelphia, Lady Auckland née Carteret (half-sister of Darcy’s father); Cassandra, Lavinia, and Alexander Darcy (first cousins of Darcy’s father); George, Lord Carrington (Darcy’s second cousin), and Sarah, Lady Carrington, née Sarah Pratt; Beatrice Howard (Darcy’s second cousin); James, Lord Auckland; Rev. Thomas Stanley; Clarissa Stanley (Darcy’s half-cousins); Darcy and Georgiana.

[ETA 3/12/2024: there is a small mistake here; Lord Carrington's father, the duke, is still alive in 1796 and should also be outlined in red (otherwise Carrington would be the duke). In my headcanon, Carrington has become the canonical duke involved in the Ecclesford theatricals by the time of Mansfield Park. But it would not have happened yet during P&P.]
anghraine: a painting of a man from the 1790s sitting on a rock; he wears a black coat, a white waistcoat and cravat, and tan breeches (darcy (seriziat))
Following up from the Fitzwilliam family headcanons, headcanons for the living Darcys c. 1796 + some nearer (non-Fitzwilliam) connections. It’s … more involved, so a basic chart is here.

LADY GEORGIANA CARTERET, previously Lady Georgiana Darcy, née Lady Georgiana Howard—the daughter, sister, and aunt of impecunious dukes. Left with virtually no dowry by the extravagant Howards, the proud Lady Georgiana was married as a girl to Alexander Darcy, whose respectability and multiple estates satisfied her family. She later married her cousin, the Hon. Frederick Carteret. Now twice-widowed, Lady Georgiana enjoys both fortune and pride, joining them with a good deal of practical sense and family affection.

GEORGIANA HARCOURT, previously Georgiana Carteret—the daughter of Lady Georgiana and the Hon. Frederick Carteret. She had little immediate fortune beyond that granted by her affectionate half-brother, Christopher Darcy. Milder and more romantic than either her mother or sister, she was permitted to marry a younger son of the prestigious Harcourt family, but is not devoid of her family’s pride or spirits.

PHILADELPHIA, Lady Auckland, née Philadelphia Carteret—the daughter of Lady Georgiana and the Hon. Frederick Carteret. She dutifully married according to her family’s choice and unexpectedly found long years of companionship in doing so. She was close to her half-brother Christopher, and has always taken a great interest in his children, Fitzwilliam and Georgiana. Her pride is mostly contained to a strong sense of dignity and determination to have her way, and she is otherwise pragmatic, kind-hearted, and friendly.

JAMES STANLEY, Lord Auckland—the elder son of Lady Auckland (née Philadelphia Carteret). He is quieter than is usual for his family, though agreeable enough, and actively pleasant when he considers it in his or his family’s interests to be so. He is principally interested in his estate, which is not yet quite sufficient to the political career he longs for.

GEORGE HOWARD, Earl of Carrington—the great-nephew of Lady Georgiana. He is the first Howard in generations to have any sense of economy, and his arranged marriage to an heiress did not much alter his prudential habits. He has a sociable disposition with a liking for music and theatre, but lives quietly near Pemberley with his wife and a poor cousin, no longer dependent on Darcy and Carteret generosity, but grateful for having received it.

SARAH, Countess of Carrington—Lord Carrington’s wife. She was the daughter of an extremely wealthy American tradesman, cheerfully accepted her arranged marriage, and was relieved to find her aristocratic husband equally sanguine. She also shares his sense of prudence and is careful to avoid the appearance of presumption or ambition, though she certainly possesses the latter. She generally likes other people and has a distaste for confrontation.

BEATRICE HOWARD—a granddaughter of one of Lady Georgiana’s younger brothers. She is devoutly religious, has never married, and was left near-penniless by her parents’ deaths, which took place shortly after Lord and Lady Carrington’s marriage. They insisted on bringing her into their household and she has lived as a dependent on them ever since, treated kindly by them and the Darcys, but conscious of her precarious situation in the world.

THE HONOURABLE REVEREND THOMAS STANLEY—the younger son of Lady Auckland. More authentically pleasant than his brother, he combines an easy-going nature with a dutiful and honest one, which has always endeared him to his mother’s nephew, Fitzwilliam Darcy. When a living near Pemberley fell open, Darcy offered it to Stanley, who has now spent several years at Kympton.

FITZWILLIAM DARCY—the son of the charming, benevolent Christopher Darcy and his elegant wife, Lady Anne (née Fitzwilliam). Darcy resembles his mother’s family physically and temperamentally, and as a consequence, has often been perceived as more of a Fitzwilliam than a Darcy, especially as he is somewhat closer to his mother’s family. But he is by no means estranged from his father’s, and the strict principle and easy generosity of his conduct towards them have left them proud to claim him for their own.

THE HONOURABLE CLARISSA STANLEY—the only daughter of Lady Auckland. She is handsome enough to still avoid the title of “old maid,” but well into her twenties. Although too polite to show the exasperation she often feels, she is very much more interested in “knowing things,” whether news, books, or the goings-on of relatives, than society. And although she has never been concerned with her personal advancement, she cares deeply about her family’s.

CASSANDRA DARCY—the eldest child of a late-married judge, who was himself the much-younger brother of Alexander Darcy (father of Christopher). Her father’s success in his profession left his children with comfortable fortunes, but his and his wife’s deaths also left the children nominal wards of their mother’s family. In practice, the children would have been largely neglected if not for the interest taken by their cousin Christopher, despite his advanced age and poor health. Cassandra, now twenty-three, retains a strong sense of responsibility for her siblings and both duty and affection towards the wider Darcy family.

LAVINIA DARCY—Cassandra’s younger sister. Lavinia is a lively, good-natured, but obstinate girl of twenty-one. She somewhat shares Cassandra’s sense of duty towards the Darcys and responsibility for their young brother, though to a lesser degree. The handsomer of the sisters, she has little interest in marriage, but very much enjoys dancing, conversation, and music. Despite very great differences in character, she is deeply fond of her late cousin’s children, Fitzwilliam and Georgiana, readily turning to the elder for advice and the younger for a ready ear.

GEORGIANA DARCY—the sixteen-year-old daughter of Christopher Darcy and Lady Anne Fitzwilliam. Her extreme shyness makes it difficult for others to understand her, even many of her own relations, who often do not know what to make of her beyond finding her sweet and accomplished. Georgiana is both, though less interested in accomplishments for accomplishments’ sake than as simply a lover of music and art. She has a great deal of patience, little opinion of her own merits, and is both very close to and awed by her clever brother.

ALEXANDER DARCY—Cassandra and Lavinia’s ten-year-old brother, the heir to the bulk of their father’s wealth. He is not a difficult child in the usual sense, but rather, gentle, mild, and in delicate health. He tends to be overwhelmed by the charismatic Darcys who surround him. Although he loves his sisters and admires his always-assured elder cousin, Fitzwilliam Darcy, he is particularly fond of his unassuming cousin Georgiana.

Tagged: #yes this is more out there and i know but... also i'm really fond of them so /shrug #also i sort of entertained myself with the idea that the fitzwilliams give normal names and it's the darcys et al who are pretentious af #not solely bc of the howards either. they're just Like That
anghraine: a painting of a couple walking on the lawn of haddon hall in derbyshire (pemberley (haddon))
I reblogged my Fitzwilliam headcanon dramatis personae post, and added:

Note: when I was re-conceptualizing my Fitzwilliam headcanons, I had the idea of using an actual title invented by Austen, and then actually having the earl be that person and going from there. So:
  • The dowager Lady Ravenshaw here = the grandmother whose death puts an end to the theatricals in MP
  • Lord Ravenshaw here = P&P’s Lord ___ + MP’s Lord Ravenshaw, “one of the most correct men in England”
  • Lady Catherine = P&P’s Lady Catherine (of course)
  • Lady Ravenshaw = MP’s Lady Ravenshaw, who was playing Agatha very well
  • Lord Rochford = Colonel Fitzwilliam’s implied older brother in P&P
  • Lady Anne Brydges = mine, all mine!
  • Lady Mary Carlisle = the mother of the children whose existence necessitates the governess (playing the cottager’s wife) in MP
  • Colonel Fitzwilliam = P&P’s Colonel Fitzwilliam
  • Anne de Bourgh, Fitzwilliam Darcy, Georgiana Darcy = P&P
  • Sophia and Margaret Carlisle = children overseen by MP’s governess

Tagged: #me overthinking things? it can't be
anghraine: darcy and elizabeth after the second proposal in the 1979 p&p (darcy and elizabeth [proposal])
In response to this, [personal profile] heckofabecca said:

i love them all

I replied:

thank you :)))

nellification said:

With great respect: wasn’t Fitzwilliam Darcy’s father named George? I don’t know that this is stated explicitly in canon, but he’s George Wickham’s godfather, and it was customary (I believe) to name a child after an important godparent. Also, there’s Georgiana: her aristocratic name is a combination of “George” and “Anne”!

I replied:

The previous Mr Darcy’s name is at no point stated in canon. His name could be George and both Wickham and Georgiana named for him, but it is equally possible that they’re named for different people. Godchildren were sometimes named for important godparents, but by no means always, and George was an immensely common name.

“Georgiana” is an independently existing name that was used repeatedly among the aristocracy of the time without any reference to George+Anne. For instance, the most famous Georgiana, the Duchess of Devonshire (who incidentally would have spent part of the year extremely close to Pemberley) was simply named for her mother, Margaret Georgiana. IIRC it is etymologically just a fancy elaboration of Georgia or Georgina (this isn’t uncommon for names ending in -ana or -iana).

TBH at least half the reason my senior Mr Darcy is not named George is because the fandom is so insistent that it must be that, even though it’s not canon. I’m a pretty contrary creature at the best of times and I’ve been corrected with fanon so many times that I get a kick out of ignoring it.

Tagged: #i don't mean to sound hostile but i'm just ... really not fond of austen fanon

anghraine: a painting of the sons of the 2nd earl of talbot by thomas lawrence; the elder is red-haired and rather plain, the younger black-haired and pretty (fitzwilliam and darcy)
Anyway, the actual current Fitzwilliam headcanons c. 1796 [assuming a 1795-6 calendar for P&P, which I do], dramatis personae-style

CATHERINE, Dowager Countess of Ravenshaw—the very elderly grandmother to Lord Ravenshaw, Lady Catherine de Bourgh, and Lady Anne Darcy. She is reserved in person, though opinionated when she does speak, and maintains a lively correspondence with her family and friends while living quietly at one of the smaller Fitzwilliam estates.

EDWARD FITZWILLIAM, Earl of Ravenshaw—the wealthy and powerful (if short) head of the Fitzwilliam family. Lord Ravenshaw is interested in his near and extended family, Whig politics, and private theatricals. He is otherwise a severe but good-natured man with a good reputation among his peers and dependents alike.

LADY CATHERINE DE BOURGH, née Lady Catherine Fitzwilliam—the elder of Lord Ravenshaw’s two sisters. Despite her arrogant, domineering personality, she is generally on good terms with the other Fitzwilliams, whom she regards with pride and something like affection; in particular, she genuinely loved and was loved by her sister, Lady Anne Darcy.

MARY, Countess of Ravenshaw—the earl’s gracious, accomplished, and generally accommodating wife. Lady Ravenshaw is conscious of coming from a family of lesser fortune but greater age than the Fitzwilliams, but also somewhat daunted by the strong personalities around her. She is, unexpectedly, an excellent speaker and happily joins in her husband’s theatrical enthusiasms.

RICHARD FITZWILLIAM, Viscount Rochford—the eldest of Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s children. He is handsome, kind-hearted, and agreeable enough in his way, but withdrawn, shy, and intensely high-strung. At thirty-five, he has never married, courted, or even seriously flirted with anyone, preferring books and the company of those he already knows.

LADY ANNE BRYDGES, née Lady Anne Fitzwilliam—Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s elder daughter. She was a generally pleasant but very stubborn girl, and remains a generally pleasant but very stubborn woman, though she has become more assertive among her easy-going husband and in-laws than among her own intense and generally forceful relations.

LADY MARY CARLISLE, née Lady Mary Fitzwilliam—Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s younger daughter. She bears a strong physical and temperamental resemblance to her sister Anne, though she is more reserved and abrupt. She was married young to a baron’s heir, but he predeceased his father and Lady Mary returned to her family with her two daughters.

COLONEL THE HONOURABLE JOHN FITZWILLIAM—the younger son of Lord and Lady Ravenshaw, and at thirty, their youngest child. While conscious of his comparatively disadvantaged position among his relatives, he is very loyal and close to them, especially his Darcy cousins. He is usually easy-going, but strong-minded and very pragmatic, all of which won the approval of his uncle Darcy.

ANNE DE BOURGH—the only child and heir of Sir Lewis and Lady Catherine de Bourgh, and thus niece to Lord Ravenshaw and Lady Anne Darcy. This Anne is quite genuinely frail, unlike the usually hearty Fitzwilliams, and has been sheltered to the point of suffocation by her mother, but also over-indulged by her. At twenty-eight, she is passive and resentful of slights, but not malicious.

FITZWILLIAM DARCY—the only son of Christopher Darcy, a wealthy, influential Fitzwilliam ally, and Lady Anne Darcy, the beloved sister of Lord Ravenshaw and Lady Catherine. Their affection extends easily to Darcy, whose personality falls well within the ordinary Fitzwilliam range—proud, intelligent, and forceful, but combining reserve and awkwardness with a basic good nature and competence.

GEORGIANA DARCY—the younger child and only surviving daughter of Christopher and Lady Anne Darcy. Her brother was the indulged youngest of the Fitzwilliam grandchildren until Georgiana’s birth twelve years after his own, yet he doted on her from that moment, as did their relatives and servants. She is nevertheless not at all spoiled, but shy, anxious, and uncertain of herself.

SOPHIA CARLISLE—the quiet, intelligent daughter of Lady Mary Carlisle and the Hon. Stephen Carlisle. Her father’s sudden death left her family as something like dependents on the new heir, which grated on Lady Mary. She received permission to return to her father’s household with the girls, and Sophia and Margaret were gladly welcomed by the Fitzwilliams.

MARGARET “MEG” CARLISLE—the younger daughter of Lady Mary Carlisle and the Hon. Stephen Carlisle. Meg is more outgoing and high-spirited than Sophia in general, but prone to fits of absent-minded silence. As the first children living at Ecclesford in a generation, Sophia and Margaret are particularly beloved by their grandparents, uncles, and most of their cousins.

Tagged: #i know this is probably of interest to like ... no one #but it's helpful to me and was fun to do SO
anghraine: a painting of a manor backed by high woody hills, with scattered trees in the foreground (pemberley)
I reblogged a set of quotes I had posted the previous year, on Christmas of 2019:

Could you expect me to rejoice in the inferiority of your connections? To congratulate myself on the hope of relations, whose condition in life is so decidedly beneath my own?

I had not known you a month before I felt that you were the last man in the world whom I could ever be prevailed on to marry.

I am happier even than Jane; she only smiles, I laugh. Mr Darcy sends you all the love in the world that he can spare from me. You are all to come to Pemberley at Christmas.

<3

In 2020, I added:

It's that time of year!

Tagged: #i always love imagining that first christmas at pemberley #with georgiana and the gardiner kids and mr and mrs gardiner and darcy and elizabeth all together #i just #:')

anghraine: david rintoul as darcy in the 1980 p&p in a red coat (darcy (1980))
An anon said:

I know ur not that fond of the 1995 P&P but I wanted to share my favorite scene with you. It’s the scene where Elizabeth is helping turn pages for Georgiana while she plays piano and the scene right after it was the one where Darcy and Elizabeth do the really long eye contact thing but my favorite part is actually the small moment before that where Elizabeth and Georgiana both look at Darcy and he looks up and sees both his favorite people staring at him and just wow it makes me feel so sappy.


I replied:

I’m glad you enjoy it, anon.

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ETA 3/3/2024: Y'all can probably imagine how "........" I felt about receiving this, but shout-out to [personal profile] tree for saying at the time:

god you’re so nice. and i’m laughing so hard.
anghraine: a screenshot of georgiana darcy looking serious in the 1980 p&p miniseries (georgiana)
An anon said:

I love how much you love the Darcy sibling relationship, do you have any fic recs that have a good take on their dynamic?

I replied:

Oh, thanks! <3

It’s been a long time since I read P&P fic apart from a few old D/E faves, so it’s hard to think of things off the top of my head. I occasionally browse AO3 but, hmm, I feel like my path and the fandom’s diverged pretty strongly somewhere along the way, so I don’t really read anything.

Thinking back, when I was more active in the fandom, even fic I otherwise liked tended to approach Georgiana’s personality as a problem to be solved, so a lot of the depictions of the Darcy-Georgiana relationship didn’t quite work for me. Not all, though; one of my favorite fics was Alison’s Georgiana-centric Indiscretions in the Life of an Heiress (which, iirc, does have a nice Darcy-Georgiana thread throughout,). I know it’s still possible to find, but I’m not sure exactly how.
anghraine: a painting of a man c. 1800 with a book and a pen; the words love, pride, and delicacy in the upper corner (darcy (love)
An anon asked:

You’re an INTJ and you accept the common typing of Darcy as an INTJ, right? Well, I’ve just found a few people arguing that Darcy is actually a Sensor, arguing that a real Ni-dom would have better predicted that Wickham would target Lydia or some other young girl, and citing the fact that he misjudges Jane’s feelings for Bingley based on appearances. Would you argue that he’s still an INTJ despite the above, and if so, how?


I replied:

Yes, I’m an INTJ, and yes, I accept (and relish!) the usual INTJ-typing for him.

I’ll say upfront that I like the MBTI, but also have issues with it as a system and haven’t dug into the details for a long time. My friend [personal profile] tree could probably answer this question better than I can.

But personally, I think one of the issues with discussion of it is that people tend to flatten everything about someone into the type and ignore other, individualizing motivations they have. IMO that’s part of what’s happening here.

So, to begin with, it’s less that Darcy did or didn’t intuit that Wickham was dangerous than that, due to upbringing (rather than temperament), Darcy initially didn’t register anything as important unless it touched on his own “family” circle—a circle that is inclusive of his friends and dependents, but not of strangers or simple acquaintances. Once Wickham wasn’t on his radar, eh.

With regard to Jane, we’re told that Darcy wanted Bingley to marry Georgiana, and that this factored into Darcy's involvement in the whole situation, even though he tried to keep it from affecting his judgment of Jane. I think the pretty clear implication is that he failed.

But the thing I find interesting about Darcy is that, despite his pride, and despite his biases, his judgments about people’s underlying characters are right a lot more often than you’d expect. He’s not wrong about Mrs Bennet and the younger girls. He rightly has reservations about Mr Bennet. He, also rightly, considers Mr Collins lucky to have married Charlotte, even though he barely knows either of them. He’s right that Elizabeth and Jane are concerned with propriety and excludes Jane as well as Elizabeth from his condemnation of the family in general. 

And I don’t think these judgments are really following from considered observations that have eventually led him to a conclusion (sometimes he thinks so, but IMO he’s already reached his conclusions). They’re fast, influenced by both his general beliefs and by quick, subconscious observations coming together. What gives him the appearance of a more deliberate, straightforward thought process, I think, is his need to account for the new information he keeps accumulating after reaching a judgment. He will adjust his early conclusions to make all the data work, even though changing his mind troubles him.

Basically, he’s someone who has good intuitive judgment of character, but gets so caught up in his own ideas and thoughts that he sometimes misses what’s right in front of his face, though his need to keep integrating all information he receives usually keeps him from going too far astray. As I said, I’m no MBTI expert, but that just doesn’t sound like an ISTJ at all to me. I think Ni+Te makes a lot more sense.

(That said, I do think that a lot of readings of Darcy sound pretty ISTJ-ish, very much including academic ones. I just don’t think the character himself is.)

Tagged: #i saw a gifset the other day with him as istj and i was just like ... lol no #maybe in the movie i guess but canon darcy? no

anghraine: the standard art of female commander shepard from mass effect (an armored soldier with red hair and pale skin) (shepard)
Snowflake Challenge promotional banner with image of ice covered tree branches and falling snowflakes on a blue background. Text: Snowflake Challenge January 1-31.

And we're back with the Snowflake Challenge! #8 is:

Talk about a current fannish project (fic, art, vid, crochet, funko pop village) (that you are creating or enjoying).

If you've been reading my DW over the last few weeks, you know what it's going to be: I'm working sloooowly on a Mass Effect/P&P AU with Elizabeth as Commander Shepard Bennet (a technologically savvy sniper and victor of the battle of Torfan who is very committed to only thinking of the past as it brings her pleasure) and a crew of various P&P characters, including:
  • Janani Hackett, a human gunnery chief who saw terrible things on Eden Prime but stubbornly sticks to her ideals;
  • Illia T'Arzi (Darcy), an arrogant asari scientist whose real motives are never as transparent as Elizabeth would like;
  • Sharra Lukarian (Charlotte), an exasperated turian security officer who finds a future on board the Normandy;
  • a young quarian, Jori'Zanah (Georgiana), who is just trying to prove her worth and bonds with Illia;
  • George Wickham, an Alliance lieutenant and reasonably skilled biotic trained in an asari-run initiative to help young biotics from other species. Definitely trustworthy!
I've written a little of it and I'm determined that this time will be different and I won't post it as a WIP on AO3, I'll just keep poking at it in my spare time until it's either finished or not posted there at all. (I will definitely put bits of it here so I don't internally combust, lol.) Not sure of the ultimate length because, even just going with ME1, there are a lot of moving parts that I'm still figuring out. But it's very exciting!
anghraine: hayley atwell as mary crawford playing a harp in itv's mansfield park (mary crawford)
An anon said:

For the Austen asks: 9, 10, 24, 25.

I replied:

9) Most hated foe of a heroine

Mrs Norris! I mean—there are worse characters in some respects (Wickham, say), but her form of malevolence is just so awful.

10) Most frustrating family member

Hmm. Apart from Mrs Norris, I’m inclined to go for John Dashwood. He could be better! But he isn’t!

24) Favorite supporting character

Mary Crawford is my favorite female character in Austen, so I think it’s got to be her!

25) Favorite family connection

Darcy and Georgiana! I love them individually, but they’re so adorable in relation to each other. <3
anghraine: darcy and elizabeth after the second proposal in the 1979 p&p (darcy and elizabeth [proposal])
I reblogged an Austen meme! Here's the first ask/response:

[personal profile] elperian said:

I shan't ask ones I think I know the answer to ;) so: 17, 18, 19, and 20!

Haha, let’s see:

17) Moment that made you sad/cry while reading

Hmm, I don’t really go to Austen for tears. I do feel really sorry for Darcy and Elizabeth after the first proposal and the letter, though. And for Anne, generally, though a particular moment…?

18) Moment that made you smile/happy while reading

Ahhh, it’s always going to be Elizabeth’s realization that she’s proud of Darcy.

19) Moment that made you laugh while reading

Oh, there are a lot, of course. Hmm … it’s cheating to call it a moment, but I get a huge kick out of the History of England.

20) Moment that made you mad while reading

Wickham saying “it pains me to speak ill of a Darcy” as he trashes Georgiana. D:
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[personal profile] heckofabecca asked:

Who are your favorite Austen sibling pairs, and how would you rate them in order of most to MOSTEST favorite?

I replied:

Hmm! Let’s see … some of the ranking is easy, and some not so much, but I’m inclined to go:

7. Jane and Elizabeth Bennet—there’s not much to say, it’s just a sweet and strong dynamic that functions perfectly within the wider novel.

6. Elinor and Marianne Dashwood—never mind the love interests, their love is the beating heart of S&S.

5. Sophy and Frederick Wentworth—it’s really enjoyable to see 30-something siblings who are frank and upfront and affectionate, even with their differences.

4. James and Catherine Morland—both rather sweet and refreshingly normal, lol.

3. William and Fanny Price—the “no subsequent connection” passage about them is one of my favourites in all of Austen! <3

2. Mary and Henry Crawford—I like me my morally dubious schemers, and morally dubious schemers who are loving family and loyal friends (to each other) are like catnip.

1. Fitzwilliam and Georgiana Darcy—there was absolutely no other possibility for this slot, I adore them individually and I especially love them as a pair.

Of Georgiana: Her brother’s recommendation was enough to ensure her favour; his judgment could not err.

Of Darcy: There is nothing he would not do for her.
anghraine: a screenshot of georgiana darcy looking serious in the 1980 p&p miniseries (georgiana)
Almost a year later, I updated tolerably well acquainted (the canon-compliant fic that follows Elizabeth from her time at Pemberley onwards):

“And till Colonel Forster came himself, not one of you entertained a doubt, I suppose, of their being really married?”

“How was it possible that such an idea should enter our brains! I felt a little uneasy—a little fearful of my sister’s happiness with him in marriage, because I knew that his conduct had not been always quite right.”

Not quite right, indeed! For a moment, Elizabeth thought of Miss Darcy’s anguish at so much as a mention of Wickham’s regiment, and how Darcy had looked—first wary and then—

With a shake of her head, she returned her attention to Jane. Georgiana Darcy was safe and likely contented enough at Pemberley; the same could not be said for Lydia or their family.

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Sometimes I think about Wickham’s stalkery pursuit of Georgiana, and Darcy’s perspective on it:

She was then but fifteen, which must be her excuse; and after stating her imprudence, I am happy to add that I owed the knowledge of it to herself. I joined them unexpectedly a day or two before the intended elopement, and then Georgiana, unable to support the idea of grieving and offending a brother whom she almost looked up to as a father, acknowledged the whole to me. You may imagine what I felt and how I acted. Regard for my sister’s credit and feelings prevented any public exposure; but I wrote to Mr Wickham

And Darcy’s response to Lydia’s “elopement”:

He saw Wickham, and afterwards insisted on seeing Lydia. His first object with her, he acknowledged, had been to persuade her to quit her present disgraceful situation, and return to her friends as soon as they could be prevailed on to receive her, offering his assistance as far as it would go. But he found Lydia absolutely resolved on remaining where she was. She cared for none of her friends; she wanted no help of his; she would not hear of leaving Wickham; she was sure they should be married some time or other, and it did not much signify when. Since such were her feelings, it only remained, he thought, to secure and expedite a marriage.

Even though the situations are not exactly the same, and (as we see here) Lydia and Georgiana are very different, I think it’s interesting that Darcy’s first impulse is basically the same: to get them out of the situation without marriage and with minimized consequences. He still thinks the situations are bad—just that neither should be shackled to Wickham for life because of a poor choice at 15/16.

(I also think it’s interesting that he says that he was able to help Georgiana because of Georgiana’s decision—a level of initiative he emphasizes but which most takes on her ignore.)

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Generally speaking, I prefer to keep my fics to some direct relationship with canon—retellings, what-ifs, “canon except my ship happens,” close fusions, 1-2 (and only 1-2) characters are genderbent, actually canon-compliant, etc etc. I have some that are pretty far out there, but I end up losing interest when they wander too far off, since it’s just original fic at that point and I have original fic.

Buuuuut

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In response to this post, [personal profile] heckofabecca said:

hhhahhah <3 <3 <3 oh my gosh they are adorbs

I replied:

They arrrre
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Some people manage to communicate to each other concisely!

“But do you always write such charming long letters to her, Mr Darcy?“

“They are generally long; but whether always charming, it is not for me to determine.”


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The joy which Miss Darcy expressed on receiving similar information [of Darcy and Elizabeth’s engagement] was as sincere as her brother’s in sending it. Four sides of paper were insufficient to contain all her delight

The Darcy siblings are not among those people.

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