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I've been thinking about ways in which Austen criticism has often fallen down wrt class analysis. Back in the 90s Julia Prewitt Brown wrote a "review" that is actually a guided tour through the failings of feminist analysis of Austen due to many things, but one of them was a failure of substantive class analysis in terms of gender. But I still see a lot of what she was talking about in both academia and more fandom or pop culture oriented interpretations—I'm inclined to think particularly when it comes from a contemporary US perspective.

I have way more thoughts about this than I have time to articulate, but I think US fans and academics in particular (though not exclusively) struggle to understand class in Austen's novels or other literature of the time in a way that is not simplified and enormously dependent on largely unfamiliar formal or legal categories rather than complex, sometimes contradictory or unpredictable, highly, highly striated structures that a quick consult of population breakdowns or tables of precedence is not going to explain. And at the same time, I think we (speaking as a US American!) often focus on the more (to us) exotic elements of 18th and early 19th-century British class dynamics rather than analyzing those dynamics in terms of class interests. These interests aren't purely financial (the understanding of class priorities purely in direct financial terms also seems very much a US perspective on it—maybe not exclusively again, idk).

Easy example, but: analysis of class in P&P tends to focus overwhelmingly on questions of exact legal status, precedence and large-scale categories (military, clergy, gentry, upper vs lower servants...), and reported income. And those things matter, for sure. But this tends to neglect how the characters perceive their own class interests (and how accurate their perception may or may not be), who their "natural" allies are, what larger social structures they benefit from or fail to benefit from (again, not only financially, though also that), their conflicts and alliances. Anne de Bourgh and Charlotte Lucas likely have either the same or quite similar ranks in formalized terms before Charlotte's marriage (as daughters of knights*) and are just about exact contemporaries, but the class structures around them are very different in ways that extend even beyond Anne's vast inheritance and Charlotte's lack of one. The image of Charlotte standing in the cold wind while a closely supervised Anne talks at her from her phaeton without any awareness of Charlotte's possible discomfort makes this seem especially stark.

This is even more glaringly apparent in something like William Godwin's Caleb Williams, in which the terrifying, relentless extent of aristocratic power over common people is represented by a country squire with six thousand a year. Legally that squire, Falkland, is no less a commoner than Caleb himself (relatedly, every member of the extended Fitzwilliam family appearing in P&P are also legally commoners). But that doesn't tell you anything about the sheer degree of power afforded Falkland and what six thousand a year signifies beyond direct buying power (that is very wealthy for the country gentry of the 1790s; it turns out a major part of his income, significantly, derives from slave plantations rather than his property in England; moreover, Falkland is able to bring power to bear everywhere Caleb goes in a way that only partly involves direct purchases).

I do seriously have to go write other things, but I wanted to get some part of this out of my head before I forget.

*Anne de Bourgh could be the daughter of a baronet rather than a knight, and thus higher-ranking than Charlotte in terms of strict precedence, but a) the distinction in precedence is so unimportant to understanding what she represents in class terms that we aren't told, and b) Sir Lewis is more likely to have been a knight than baronet IMO from what contextual information we do have.
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I reblogged my Fitzwilliam headcanon dramatis personae post, and added:

Note: when I was re-conceptualizing my Fitzwilliam headcanons, I had the idea of using an actual title invented by Austen, and then actually having the earl be that person and going from there. So:
  • The dowager Lady Ravenshaw here = the grandmother whose death puts an end to the theatricals in MP
  • Lord Ravenshaw here = P&P’s Lord ___ + MP’s Lord Ravenshaw, “one of the most correct men in England”
  • Lady Catherine = P&P’s Lady Catherine (of course)
  • Lady Ravenshaw = MP’s Lady Ravenshaw, who was playing Agatha very well
  • Lord Rochford = Colonel Fitzwilliam’s implied older brother in P&P
  • Lady Anne Brydges = mine, all mine!
  • Lady Mary Carlisle = the mother of the children whose existence necessitates the governess (playing the cottager’s wife) in MP
  • Colonel Fitzwilliam = P&P’s Colonel Fitzwilliam
  • Anne de Bourgh, Fitzwilliam Darcy, Georgiana Darcy = P&P
  • Sophia and Margaret Carlisle = children overseen by MP’s governess

Tagged: #me overthinking things? it can't be
anghraine: a painting of the sons of the 2nd earl of talbot by thomas lawrence; the elder is red-haired and rather plain, the younger black-haired and pretty (fitzwilliam and darcy)
Anyway, the actual current Fitzwilliam headcanons c. 1796 [assuming a 1795-6 calendar for P&P, which I do], dramatis personae-style

CATHERINE, Dowager Countess of Ravenshaw—the very elderly grandmother to Lord Ravenshaw, Lady Catherine de Bourgh, and Lady Anne Darcy. She is reserved in person, though opinionated when she does speak, and maintains a lively correspondence with her family and friends while living quietly at one of the smaller Fitzwilliam estates.

EDWARD FITZWILLIAM, Earl of Ravenshaw—the wealthy and powerful (if short) head of the Fitzwilliam family. Lord Ravenshaw is interested in his near and extended family, Whig politics, and private theatricals. He is otherwise a severe but good-natured man with a good reputation among his peers and dependents alike.

LADY CATHERINE DE BOURGH, née Lady Catherine Fitzwilliam—the elder of Lord Ravenshaw’s two sisters. Despite her arrogant, domineering personality, she is generally on good terms with the other Fitzwilliams, whom she regards with pride and something like affection; in particular, she genuinely loved and was loved by her sister, Lady Anne Darcy.

MARY, Countess of Ravenshaw—the earl’s gracious, accomplished, and generally accommodating wife. Lady Ravenshaw is conscious of coming from a family of lesser fortune but greater age than the Fitzwilliams, but also somewhat daunted by the strong personalities around her. She is, unexpectedly, an excellent speaker and happily joins in her husband’s theatrical enthusiasms.

RICHARD FITZWILLIAM, Viscount Rochford—the eldest of Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s children. He is handsome, kind-hearted, and agreeable enough in his way, but withdrawn, shy, and intensely high-strung. At thirty-five, he has never married, courted, or even seriously flirted with anyone, preferring books and the company of those he already knows.

LADY ANNE BRYDGES, née Lady Anne Fitzwilliam—Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s elder daughter. She was a generally pleasant but very stubborn girl, and remains a generally pleasant but very stubborn woman, though she has become more assertive among her easy-going husband and in-laws than among her own intense and generally forceful relations.

LADY MARY CARLISLE, née Lady Mary Fitzwilliam—Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s younger daughter. She bears a strong physical and temperamental resemblance to her sister Anne, though she is more reserved and abrupt. She was married young to a baron’s heir, but he predeceased his father and Lady Mary returned to her family with her two daughters.

COLONEL THE HONOURABLE JOHN FITZWILLIAM—the younger son of Lord and Lady Ravenshaw, and at thirty, their youngest child. While conscious of his comparatively disadvantaged position among his relatives, he is very loyal and close to them, especially his Darcy cousins. He is usually easy-going, but strong-minded and very pragmatic, all of which won the approval of his uncle Darcy.

ANNE DE BOURGH—the only child and heir of Sir Lewis and Lady Catherine de Bourgh, and thus niece to Lord Ravenshaw and Lady Anne Darcy. This Anne is quite genuinely frail, unlike the usually hearty Fitzwilliams, and has been sheltered to the point of suffocation by her mother, but also over-indulged by her. At twenty-eight, she is passive and resentful of slights, but not malicious.

FITZWILLIAM DARCY—the only son of Christopher Darcy, a wealthy, influential Fitzwilliam ally, and Lady Anne Darcy, the beloved sister of Lord Ravenshaw and Lady Catherine. Their affection extends easily to Darcy, whose personality falls well within the ordinary Fitzwilliam range—proud, intelligent, and forceful, but combining reserve and awkwardness with a basic good nature and competence.

GEORGIANA DARCY—the younger child and only surviving daughter of Christopher and Lady Anne Darcy. Her brother was the indulged youngest of the Fitzwilliam grandchildren until Georgiana’s birth twelve years after his own, yet he doted on her from that moment, as did their relatives and servants. She is nevertheless not at all spoiled, but shy, anxious, and uncertain of herself.

SOPHIA CARLISLE—the quiet, intelligent daughter of Lady Mary Carlisle and the Hon. Stephen Carlisle. Her father’s sudden death left her family as something like dependents on the new heir, which grated on Lady Mary. She received permission to return to her father’s household with the girls, and Sophia and Margaret were gladly welcomed by the Fitzwilliams.

MARGARET “MEG” CARLISLE—the younger daughter of Lady Mary Carlisle and the Hon. Stephen Carlisle. Meg is more outgoing and high-spirited than Sophia in general, but prone to fits of absent-minded silence. As the first children living at Ecclesford in a generation, Sophia and Margaret are particularly beloved by their grandparents, uncles, and most of their cousins.

Tagged: #i know this is probably of interest to like ... no one #but it's helpful to me and was fun to do SO
anghraine: judy parfitt as lady catherine de bourgh in the 1980 p&p; text: #girlboss (lady catherine)
smallblueandloud said:

yay, new chapter of tolerably well acquainted! i went and reread the whole story, to make sure i remembered the context and also because why not ;D and THEN i went and reread "infinite use" (the one where lady catherine tells darcy about her argument with elizabeth) because that fic is my absolute favorite p&p fic ever. his reaction is so perfect and in character and anne is... hilarious. i reread it very frequently, alone and with my periodic rereads of all your fic. it's all amazing

I replied:

Oh, thank you! I’m very glad you enjoy Infinite Use so much—it doesn’t appeal to everyone and I might change some things now, but it was super fun to write.

I used to be pretty frustrated with certain takes on Anne, so that was in a way my response to them. I’m fond of her despite the silliness, and of course of Darcy and Fitzwilliam. I do still like the idea of Darcy having no idea what Lady Catherine is talking about until halfway through, haha.
anghraine: a painting of the sons of the 2nd earl of talbot by thomas lawrence; the elder is red-haired and rather plain, the younger black-haired and pretty (fitzwilliam and darcy)

Aesthetic post for the Fitzwilliams of Pride and Prejudice—my favourite of Austen’s families.

The extended Fitzwilliam family consists of the children and grandchildren of an unnamed earl, and several of them appear in P&P: Lady Catherine de Bourgh (née Lady Catherine Fitzwilliam), Fitzwilliam Darcy, Colonel Fitzwilliam, Anne de Bourgh, and Georgiana Darcy.

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In response to this post, someone (as usual) suggested that Lady Catherine was basically manufacturing the agreement with Lady Anne about Darcy and younger Anne marrying.

I replied:

When I was in Austen fandom, it was pretty generally assumed that the whole thing was to a greater or lesser extent a figment of Lady Catherine’s imagination.

But the first person we hear about it from is actually Wickham, who is prattling on about his background at Pemberley. He could be making up the expectation of a Darcy/Anne marriage for some reason of his own, of course, but if so, his lie gels with Lady Catherine’s understanding of what happened, even though they both hold each other in contempt. I think it’s more probable that he’s simply repeating what he heard at Pemberley to bolster his bona fides.

I do think there’s often a certain … hm, tendency towards preserving Lady Anne’s character by distancing her from Lady Catherine, even though Lady Anne has almost no character to preserve. We know a) she was a good person, b) she was apparently less benevolent and amiable than her husband, c) with him, she participated in allowing and encouraging Darcy to think himself better than other people, d) her otherwise egotistical sister named her only child after her, and e) Wickham and Lady Catherine believe that Darcy was expected to marry Anne.

It’s all so vague that we can’t know for sure, but personally, I don’t think there’s any reason to suppose Lady Catherine is consciously or unconsciously misrepresenting what happened.

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Also in response to this post, cosmonauthill said:

Is it also possible that the viscount was just enough older that he was already paired off to, if they’re new-but-rich, the daughter of an old-but-poor family, or vice versa? I’ve seen it in a few fics that he’s married to the daughter of a Notable Family and it does make sense, I think

I replied:

Possible? Sure.

Also, by that time, arranged marriages between young children were pretty odd—imo it’s one of the things that’s meant to make Lady Catherine ridiculous and old-fashioned. So it’s possible that her brother wouldn’t have been up for it, or he’s enough like her to have already tried the same thing with someone else, or any number of reasons that an Anne/viscount match wouldn’t have turned out.

But I think that if Lady Catherine had ever considered the viscount a viable option, she’d be less obsessed with Anne/Darcy in particular. Anne could have made a good match already, given her birth, connections, and vast wealth (unusually so even for aristocratic women), but Lady Catherine seems set on her marrying Darcy specifically, from the moment of his birth.
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emily-elizabeth-rose said:

Re your meta on Ladies Catherine and Anne being close due to a distant father, I realised that Lady C was likely not close with her brother the Earl. Her father likely doting on the son while being distant to the girls causing resentment. So even with Darcy slow to marry Anne, Col. Fitzwilliam not raised as an alternative, even though he would come to Rosings rather than Anne leaving. Why not Col. Fitz? Because Lady C doesn't like the Earl and doesn't want his son to marry her daughter :0

I replied:

Hmm. While we know that Lady Catherine firmly believes daughters never matter to their fathers, which presumably extends to her relationship with her own father, all we know about her relationship with her brother is that his son comes to visit her. So it’s hard to extrapolate much from that. It does seem probable that someone with Lady Catherine’s personality would likely not have taken favouritism over her well, but the form that displeasure would have taken …?

The question I have isn’t about Colonel Fitzwilliam, since marrying a younger son without a significant fortune of his own wouldn’t be a great match for Anne. Sole, well-born heiresses of large estates were rare, and could hold out for very good matches; Fitzwilliam would only be a real possibility if Lady Catherine was absolutely set on Anne marrying within the family and his older brother was already married.

The real question, for me, is why Lady Catherine preferred baby Darcy over the viscount.

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I felt like putting together dramatis personae of my headcanons for the Fitzwilliam and extended Darcy families, and by the time I was putting together a chart for the latter, was zooming merrily along. (Am I procrastinating grading? Maybe.)

Anyway, the actual current Fitzwilliam headcanons c. 1796 [assuming a 1795-6 calendar for P&P, which I do]:

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Otherwise known as license to ramble!

Left to Follow isn't quite my first fanfic ever (that would be this chapter), but nearly, and really the first one written from within fandom, in response to fandom. And it is my first Austenfic, which seems appropriate for today. Er, yesterday by now, but it was today when I wrote this. Okay.

I'm going to assume everyone who reads this has already read the story and knows how it ends (or they...wouldn't be reading?), so spoilers, I guess.

the commentary! )
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So, good Austen fanart is not quite so abundant as SW -- though this may be that I tend to dislike the adaptations, especially the 1995 one, so the various versions of Colin Firth or whomever don't generally make the cut. Anyway, here's some of the stuff I've found.

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I keep running across a not-quite-trope -- an argument -- that I find immensely problematic. I'm going to talk about it now, through my own feminism, which may not be yours. Consider yourself warned for that, along with discussions of violence and sexual assault.

A defense of double standards )

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Title: First Impressions (6/13, 7/13)

Fanverse: First Impressions

Blurb: Jane goes to the Gardiners' and Henry to the Collinses'; Henry meets Lady Catherine, Anne, Colonel Fitzwilliam, and (once again) Catherine; many hints are dropped.

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Chapter Six )

Chapter Seven )
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In my last post, I forgot to mention the entire reason I was thinking about things that make me happy: DADT was repealed, yay.

And by ‘yay,’ I meant ‘my country sucks slightly less today than it did yesterday.’

... Occasionally, talking about politics with other Americans feels like talking about fandom with other Austenfen. I’ll start to say ‘well, you know, they’ve tried it in Canada/Belgium/Argentina/etc--’ and inevitably get blank stares and/or WHAT IS THIS PLACE OF WHICH YOU SPEAK, AND WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT THEIR HEATHEN WAYS??

Only for civil rights instead of the merits of rec lists.

Also, on a largely unrelated note, I have no right whatsoever to object to arbitrarily ignoring/changing characters’ canon sexuality. Well, I do, but it’s massively hypocritical.

ambivalent Elizabeth is ambivalent, but has footnotes. )
anghraine: judy parfitt as lady catherine de bourgh in the 1980 p&p; text: #girlboss (lady catherine)
So, a while ago -- a long while ago -- I gave permission for some of my stories to be translated into Russian.  I will say upfront that I've been informed that they're quite good translations, and that I'm sure this reflects more on Google Translate than my translator.

I was trying to find an issue of fandom_news that inexplicably included a post of mine, and instead stumbled across the translations of my stories.  Google obligingly offered to translate them back into English, so I clicked and...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Tragically, I was in the computer lab at the time, so I couldn't laugh aloud.  I was actually shaking and crying by the time I got done.)

For general edification (and possibly warning), here are some choice excerpts:

 

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We all have a personal canon -- the X that exists in our heads, with all the little additions and details our minds supply.  Sort of like fanon, but for one person instead of a weird fandom virus.  So, for Pride and Prejudice, this is mine:
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I've always wondered what exactly went on when Lady Catherine told Darcy about her meeting with Elizabeth. There are a lot of versions of that scene, but none hit quite right. Mostly, they took a serious approach to a scene I'd always imagined as absolutely hysterical. So, with no further ado...

Lady Catherine has been of infinite use . . . )

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