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I’ve been thinking back on the Fandom Experience, and was remembering the opposite of the vanity searching—some of the odder experiences of being told things directly:
  • I got a comment on a fic asking if leaving it unfinished made me feel desired.
  • I got a comment on a different fic telling me that they knew I wasn’t writing for the ’95 mini-series and that I dislike it, but that they always pictured my Darcy as Colin Firth anyway. Darcy is a) blue-eyed and b) a woman in that fic.
  • I got anonymous hate because I headcanon Luke Skywalker as asexual.
  • A troll apologized for missing my birthday.
  • A random person informed me that my fic was Wrong and Darcy’s mother wouldn’t be Lady Anne but Mrs Darcy, and his uncle should be Lord Matlock. [ETA 3/13/2024: Lady Anne being called "Mrs Darcy" and her brother being "Lord Matlock" are both from the ’95 mini-series and not in the novel; the first seems to be a mistake and the last an invention.]
  • Someone on AO3 told me that my fic was great, and also, it was shitty of me not to respond to comments.
  • Someone told me they had been sent by an anonymous group of haters who wanted me to tag my Silmarillion posts so they didn’t have to see them. (I already was tagging them.)
  • Someone told me that calling The Horse and His Boy racist made me the racist one, actually.
None of these were the end of the world, and my general experience of fandom has been mainly positive, but sometimes it is … really strange.
anghraine: a painting of the sons of the 2nd earl of talbot by thomas lawrence; the elder is red-haired and rather plain, the younger black-haired and pretty (fitzwilliam and darcy)
An anon asked:

Based on your family trees, who is Darcy close to, on both sides of his family?

I replied:

Okay, it is very cool to be asked—thank you, anon. And I needed a break from exam stress, so … here we go with the Fitzwilliams. I’ll do a separate one for the Darcys.

The short version: Colonel Fitzwilliam, Lord Rochford, Lady Mary, and Lord Ravenshaw.

The long and rambly version:

anghraine: a painting of the sons of the 2nd earl of talbot by thomas lawrence; the elder is red-haired and rather plain, the younger black-haired and pretty (fitzwilliam and darcy)
Anyway, the actual current Fitzwilliam headcanons c. 1796 [assuming a 1795-6 calendar for P&P, which I do], dramatis personae-style

CATHERINE, Dowager Countess of Ravenshaw—the very elderly grandmother to Lord Ravenshaw, Lady Catherine de Bourgh, and Lady Anne Darcy. She is reserved in person, though opinionated when she does speak, and maintains a lively correspondence with her family and friends while living quietly at one of the smaller Fitzwilliam estates.

EDWARD FITZWILLIAM, Earl of Ravenshaw—the wealthy and powerful (if short) head of the Fitzwilliam family. Lord Ravenshaw is interested in his near and extended family, Whig politics, and private theatricals. He is otherwise a severe but good-natured man with a good reputation among his peers and dependents alike.

LADY CATHERINE DE BOURGH, née Lady Catherine Fitzwilliam—the elder of Lord Ravenshaw’s two sisters. Despite her arrogant, domineering personality, she is generally on good terms with the other Fitzwilliams, whom she regards with pride and something like affection; in particular, she genuinely loved and was loved by her sister, Lady Anne Darcy.

MARY, Countess of Ravenshaw—the earl’s gracious, accomplished, and generally accommodating wife. Lady Ravenshaw is conscious of coming from a family of lesser fortune but greater age than the Fitzwilliams, but also somewhat daunted by the strong personalities around her. She is, unexpectedly, an excellent speaker and happily joins in her husband’s theatrical enthusiasms.

RICHARD FITZWILLIAM, Viscount Rochford—the eldest of Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s children. He is handsome, kind-hearted, and agreeable enough in his way, but withdrawn, shy, and intensely high-strung. At thirty-five, he has never married, courted, or even seriously flirted with anyone, preferring books and the company of those he already knows.

LADY ANNE BRYDGES, née Lady Anne Fitzwilliam—Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s elder daughter. She was a generally pleasant but very stubborn girl, and remains a generally pleasant but very stubborn woman, though she has become more assertive among her easy-going husband and in-laws than among her own intense and generally forceful relations.

LADY MARY CARLISLE, née Lady Mary Fitzwilliam—Lord and Lady Ravenshaw’s younger daughter. She bears a strong physical and temperamental resemblance to her sister Anne, though she is more reserved and abrupt. She was married young to a baron’s heir, but he predeceased his father and Lady Mary returned to her family with her two daughters.

COLONEL THE HONOURABLE JOHN FITZWILLIAM—the younger son of Lord and Lady Ravenshaw, and at thirty, their youngest child. While conscious of his comparatively disadvantaged position among his relatives, he is very loyal and close to them, especially his Darcy cousins. He is usually easy-going, but strong-minded and very pragmatic, all of which won the approval of his uncle Darcy.

ANNE DE BOURGH—the only child and heir of Sir Lewis and Lady Catherine de Bourgh, and thus niece to Lord Ravenshaw and Lady Anne Darcy. This Anne is quite genuinely frail, unlike the usually hearty Fitzwilliams, and has been sheltered to the point of suffocation by her mother, but also over-indulged by her. At twenty-eight, she is passive and resentful of slights, but not malicious.

FITZWILLIAM DARCY—the only son of Christopher Darcy, a wealthy, influential Fitzwilliam ally, and Lady Anne Darcy, the beloved sister of Lord Ravenshaw and Lady Catherine. Their affection extends easily to Darcy, whose personality falls well within the ordinary Fitzwilliam range—proud, intelligent, and forceful, but combining reserve and awkwardness with a basic good nature and competence.

GEORGIANA DARCY—the younger child and only surviving daughter of Christopher and Lady Anne Darcy. Her brother was the indulged youngest of the Fitzwilliam grandchildren until Georgiana’s birth twelve years after his own, yet he doted on her from that moment, as did their relatives and servants. She is nevertheless not at all spoiled, but shy, anxious, and uncertain of herself.

SOPHIA CARLISLE—the quiet, intelligent daughter of Lady Mary Carlisle and the Hon. Stephen Carlisle. Her father’s sudden death left her family as something like dependents on the new heir, which grated on Lady Mary. She received permission to return to her father’s household with the girls, and Sophia and Margaret were gladly welcomed by the Fitzwilliams.

MARGARET “MEG” CARLISLE—the younger daughter of Lady Mary Carlisle and the Hon. Stephen Carlisle. Meg is more outgoing and high-spirited than Sophia in general, but prone to fits of absent-minded silence. As the first children living at Ecclesford in a generation, Sophia and Margaret are particularly beloved by their grandparents, uncles, and most of their cousins.

Tagged: #i know this is probably of interest to like ... no one #but it's helpful to me and was fun to do SO
anghraine: photo of a woman with large dark eyes and black hair (vicky papodopoulou) as f!darcy (philadelphia)
In reference to this meme, rain-sleet-snow said:

I'm curious about Philadelphia!

I replied:

So, once upon a time, I wrote a P&P AU that basically re-tells the whole story, but with m!Elizabeth and f!Darcy. The main appeal for me personally was f!Darcy, though, and while that one stuck pretty firmly to the P&P rails, I couldn’t help thinking of a more ‘what-if’ style AU where Darcy is the only genderbent one. Darcy/Elizabeth femslash!

The doc is called ‘Philadelphia’ because I was trying to think of a feminine name that began with the Fi- sound but also had L’s in it, and thought of either Philippa or Philadelphia—I chose the latter because it sounded more pretentious to me, lol, and because it was a name used repeatedly in Austen’s own family. Here's an excerpt:

To be sure, Miss Darcy neither did nor said anything wrong. Her manners, however uninviting, were correct; her appearance was more than correct. Elizabeth had never seen a handsomer woman, except Jane, whom Miss Darcy did not resemble in the slightest. To look at her, in fact, she might have been Lady Catherine’s daughter rather than insipid Miss de Bourgh. Miss Darcy had the same black curls, the same cold dark eyes in a colourless face, the same decided way of carrying herself. 

Elizabeth did not suppose that Lady Catherine had ever been quite as pretty, or as sensible. Miss Darcy spoke well when she deigned to speak at all—but her air of superiority was exactly Lady Catherine’s. The haughty silences would have been, too, if Lady Catherine ever confined herself to silence.


[ETA 3/3/2024: as you might guess, the "Philadelphia" fic was an early iteration of Love, Pride & Delicacy, but I ended up changing a few major things about it: I decided to re-use "Catherine" as f!Darcy's name just because it struck me as so apropos for Lady Anne's and Lady Catherine's daughters, Elizabeth goes from moderately disliking Philadelphia personally but not even remembering that she was supposed to be Wickham's villain to carrying a grudge against Catherine for Wickham's sake, and Philadelphia was implicitly white while Catherine is visibly biracial.]
anghraine: korra's vision of all the avatars (avatar pyramid)
Generally speaking, I prefer to keep my fics to some direct relationship with canon—retellings, what-ifs, “canon except my ship happens,” close fusions, 1-2 (and only 1-2) characters are genderbent, actually canon-compliant, etc etc. I have some that are pretty far out there, but I end up losing interest when they wander too far off, since it’s just original fic at that point and I have original fic.

Buuuuut

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In response to this post, someone (as usual) suggested that Lady Catherine was basically manufacturing the agreement with Lady Anne about Darcy and younger Anne marrying.

I replied:

When I was in Austen fandom, it was pretty generally assumed that the whole thing was to a greater or lesser extent a figment of Lady Catherine’s imagination.

But the first person we hear about it from is actually Wickham, who is prattling on about his background at Pemberley. He could be making up the expectation of a Darcy/Anne marriage for some reason of his own, of course, but if so, his lie gels with Lady Catherine’s understanding of what happened, even though they both hold each other in contempt. I think it’s more probable that he’s simply repeating what he heard at Pemberley to bolster his bona fides.

I do think there’s often a certain … hm, tendency towards preserving Lady Anne’s character by distancing her from Lady Catherine, even though Lady Anne has almost no character to preserve. We know a) she was a good person, b) she was apparently less benevolent and amiable than her husband, c) with him, she participated in allowing and encouraging Darcy to think himself better than other people, d) her otherwise egotistical sister named her only child after her, and e) Wickham and Lady Catherine believe that Darcy was expected to marry Anne.

It’s all so vague that we can’t know for sure, but personally, I don’t think there’s any reason to suppose Lady Catherine is consciously or unconsciously misrepresenting what happened.

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anghraine: david rintoul as darcy in the 1980 p&p in a red coat (darcy (1980))
emily-elizabeth-rose said:

Re your meta on Ladies Catherine and Anne being close due to a distant father, I realised that Lady C was likely not close with her brother the Earl. Her father likely doting on the son while being distant to the girls causing resentment. So even with Darcy slow to marry Anne, Col. Fitzwilliam not raised as an alternative, even though he would come to Rosings rather than Anne leaving. Why not Col. Fitz? Because Lady C doesn't like the Earl and doesn't want his son to marry her daughter :0

I replied:

Hmm. While we know that Lady Catherine firmly believes daughters never matter to their fathers, which presumably extends to her relationship with her own father, all we know about her relationship with her brother is that his son comes to visit her. So it’s hard to extrapolate much from that. It does seem probable that someone with Lady Catherine’s personality would likely not have taken favouritism over her well, but the form that displeasure would have taken …?

The question I have isn’t about Colonel Fitzwilliam, since marrying a younger son without a significant fortune of his own wouldn’t be a great match for Anne. Sole, well-born heiresses of large estates were rare, and could hold out for very good matches; Fitzwilliam would only be a real possibility if Lady Catherine was absolutely set on Anne marrying within the family and his older brother was already married.

The real question, for me, is why Lady Catherine preferred baby Darcy over the viscount.

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anghraine: brown-haired cartoon girl with a wide smile, large black eyes, a bloodstained shawl, a cup of tea, a sword, and a crown (me (as author!))
Otherwise known as license to ramble!

Left to Follow isn't quite my first fanfic ever (that would be this chapter), but nearly, and really the first one written from within fandom, in response to fandom. And it is my first Austenfic, which seems appropriate for today. Er, yesterday by now, but it was today when I wrote this. Okay.

I'm going to assume everyone who reads this has already read the story and knows how it ends (or they...wouldn't be reading?), so spoilers, I guess.

the commentary! )

Days 25-28

Jul. 6th, 2011 02:14 pm
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My au_bigbangs got chosen on the first day! Yay! Now I just need to finish them, ack. Between memes.

like this one. )
anghraine: vader extending his lightsaber; text: and now for the airing of grievances! (OTP)
I don't know why, exactly, but I've always had a sneaking fondness for Lady Catherine.  She's overbearing and ridiculous and not terribly bright, but I still like her.  Partly because she is so exactly everything that every conduct book said a woman shouldn't be, aggressive and managing and bossy, and enough force of personality that she gets most people to admire her for it.  Like Emma on crack, only with a lot more staying power.  (I feel reasonably certain that Lady Catherine never loses interest halfway through one of her plans.)  And part of it is because she's so demonised by fandom and academia - she's either aristocratic!Mrs Bennet or still worse.  LawfulEvil!Lady Catherine.

(Tangent - I think she's meant to be reverse!Mr Bennet, actually.  He's the parent who's brilliant but irresponsibly passive; she's the [surrogate] parent who is extremely proactive but so unintelligent that she does it all wrong.  Mrs Bennet is mostly just nervous and selfish and frightened.)

And partly it's because I actually feel rather sorry for her, esp after her icy statement that daughters never matter much to their fathers - it's rather sad, I think (*suspects that Lady Catherine and Lady Anne were not terribly important to Daddy the Earl*).  And even though the idea of planning the marriage of a pair of infants is silly (and was so by then), I still kind of love the image of two sisters leaning over their children's cradles and . . . yeah.  Anyway, I'm pretty much the a card-carrying member of the Lady Catherine Defence Society and I wanted to write something that was both sympathetic and . . . well, Lady Catherine. 

So this is a very long and meandering way of saying:  Lady Catherine fic!

You know, of course, that Lady Catherine de Bourgh and Lady Anne Darcy were sisters. )

anghraine: vader extending his lightsaber; text: and now for the airing of grievances! (muse)
I found Austen fandom in 2004 and lurked for about a year - until I finally threw a fit over one of fandom's more inoffensive Sues.  So, in summer of 2005, I wrote this - inspired mostly by fanon, partly by Darcy's careful explanation at the end of P&P, and a good deal by my desire to screw with people. 

So, with no more ado - *maniacal laugh* - my very first Austenfic:

Left to Follow )

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