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My icon has grey eyes and black hair just for Tolkien :P

So. I generally dislike Tolkien fandom's "canonicity discourse" (yes, I'm doing it anyway) and the idea of imposing a specific ranking of texts. That said, it's occurred to me that one of the reasons I feel deeply out of step with Tolkien fandom is that The Silmarillion (as in, the published book, not the in-story accounts) is on a drastically different level of canonicity for me than basically everything else with JRR Tolkien's name on it.

I don't dislike The Silmarillion or anything. I quite enjoy it! But for me, it shows its age—not in ~a man of his time~ sense, but in an editorial sense. Christopher Tolkien did an enormous amount of spectacular editorial work over the course of his life and we are deeply indebted to him. But I think he did pretty clearly get better at it over time, and particularly at presenting his father's mass of notes and documents and so on in a way that makes the texts as accessible as possible. At the same time, in later texts, he clearly differentiates between actual words JRRT wrote (whether in the main body or in notes) and his (CT's) own understanding and explanations as JRRT's confidant and literary heir. I do give a lot of credence to Christopher Tolkien's understanding of his father's work, actually, and I deeply respect (and am grateful for) CT's efforts to carefully and clearly explain things like dates of composition (and how this can be determined), direct context, how a given point relates to his father's broader work, etc, throughout these texts.

(Tangent: Facebook keeps recommending defensive Jackson stans griping about how Christopher Tolkien just didn't get his father's work like Jackson did and was so horribly ungrateful to the filmmakers and such an inferior scholar blahblah for the crime of disliking the films. FLAMES ON THE SIDE OF MY FACE!! I am not uncritical of Christopher Tolkien, and neither was Christopher Tolkien, but I think we owe an immeasurable debt of gratitude to him. Also, even to me, his response to the films seemed harsh at the time, but at this point, I think he was pretty much right, anyway, and correctly judged the films' impact and reflection of pop culture understanding of JRRT's work.)

So what is my issue with the published Silmarillion?

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I thought I’d become pretty zen about LOTR on Prime, but a Youtuber I was just watching was like … hey, what if it’s a prequel to the movies? They could share continuity and everything!

me:


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#the one(1) thing that makes me pretty chill about it is the possibility of an interpretation of middle-earth that's DIFFERENT #even if it's bad it will be differently bad! #but what if ... not? #like yeah i expect there to be considerable influence bc the films exert /such/ a vast influence on the popular imagination #but aghhhhhhhhh #i mean ... i'm sure it would be complicated legally to do that but EVEN SO it will haunt my nightmares #lord of the rings movies #(i am not saying they are all bad fwiw #or even mostly bad #but they are flawed and theirs is not the sole permissible vision for middle-earth)

[ETA 3/14/2024: ngl it has since become very clear to me that much of "Tolkien" fandom actually disagrees that other cinematic visions of Middle-earth are a good thing, or even a tolerable thing. ROP does have a different vision from the Jackson films, but it's pretty moderately different tbh, and even that is a cause for sackcloth and ashes. Meanwhile, social media keeps bombarding me with defensive arguments against Christopher Tolkien's criticisms of the Jackson films, including "Christopher Tolkien did a lot of good but he didn't get his father the way Peter Jackson did and should have been more grateful to Jackson." I'm not uncritical of every editorial choice Christopher Tolkien ever made—nor was Christopher himself—but the stans who cannot hear a word against the films, including from Tolkien's now-dead son and confidant, while throwing screaming tantrums about ROP at every opportunity? Come on.]
anghraine: artist's rendition of faramir; text: i would not take this thing if it lay by the highway (faramir)
I reblogged an announcement of Christopher Tolkien's death and added:

:((((

Somehow I never imagined he'd die eventually? :(

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