anghraine: artist's rendition of faramir; text: i would not take this thing if it lay by the highway (faramir)
While I’m at it, some thoughts on Faramir at Rivendell:

- All my thoughts are underpinned by my firm belief that Faramir was, rightly, the preferred choice of whoever sent the dreams (Irmo?) and things would have worked out better if he had gone. So I’m not here for things like “Faramir would have died on the journey because Boromir is tougher and ultimately all fallen into ruin”

- In fact, I think it’s possible that Faramir would have made the journey more easily, because although Boromir is tougher than he is, it’s entirely believable that Faramir (who is repeatedly described as a master of beasts and, in canon, can keep his horse under control in the face of five Ringwraiths) is the better horseman and wouldn’t have lost his horse on the way—

- allowing for the possibility that Faramir is already at Rivendell when the others arrive (it’s also possible, for convenience, that these things basically cancel out and he gets there at the same time as Boromir, but I think it’s more interesting if we look for differences).

- If the former, there’s time for significant interactions with Elrond, Bilbo, random Elves … how does that go? Especially since Faramir canonically thinks it’s dangerous to have too much to do with Elves these days.

- Pippin registers Faramir as vaguely Elvish in canon, and also in canon, Legolas later recognizes and respects that Faramir’s uncle is partially Elvish. Does that hold for Faramir or is he more associated with Númenor/Aragorn/Gandalf(!) like Denethor?

- Specifically, how does the “the blood of Númenor is spent in Gondor and the country is in decay” stuff work with a Gondorian Dúnadan right there in whom the blood of Númenor is clearly not spent and who believes that the integration of non-Númenóreans strengthened his people, but also believes that the Dúnedain are permanently fading? Does it come up?

- Gandalf is eager to consult with Faramir in ROTK and stressed about him not being in Minas Tirith yet. How does he react to reaching Rivendell and finding Faramir, of all people, just … there? And brought by a prophetic dream? How does Faramir react to Mithrandir showing up?

- Really curious how the psychic powers possessed by quite a few characters here, including Faramir, play out generally.

- Pippin’s first impression of Faramir is affected by a) Faramir having just risen above a harrowing experience and b) reminding him of Aragorn in his (A’s) ‘high’ moments; at this point, unless I’m misremembering, Pippin would have little/no experience of either, so I’m also curious about how much of his canon first impression would be present in the AU.

- Similarly, I’m curious if Sam would associate Faramir with wizards without the trial of the Ring. What does he think of Faramir’s ‘quality’? And vice-versa?

- Really curious about how Faramir and Aragorn interact without Faramir being unconscious and dying and the whole mystical kingly … everything going on, especially given Faramir’s canonical skepticism in TTT. I tend to assume that Imrahil gave Aragorn some background on Faramir’s situation in ROTK, but with no Imrahil present and no or very few preconceptions, what do they think of each other?

That’s not even getting into, uh, most of the plot, just Faramir literally being in Rivendell. But, obviously, there are plenty of things to think about through the rest of LOTR, too!

Tagged: #faramir #elrond #bilbo baggins #(i mean. faramir and bilbo interacting is just... amazing) #(though i think i'm most interested in faramir+elrond and faramir+aragorn) #i think one of the things that makes the au so interesting #is that lotr is so tightly plotted that any change creates major effects #but it's also really clear that there's some happier alternate scenario with faramir that was supposed to happen #but it takes some doing to figure out how to make it end up there without adding in a bunch of changes that don't follow from it #...none of which this post was about but anyway
anghraine: a man with long black hair and a ring on his hand (faramir [hair])
Still thinking of how Denethor and Faramir are explicitly compared with Gandalf  … and even Gandalf describes himself and Denethor as ‘two … terrible old men’ … and in Faramir’s case, his wizardliness is by contrast to Frodo’s Elvishness …

I just. They.

Tagged: #adkjf sam doesn't even know he's saying 'frodo is elvish but you have a maia vibe' but HE IS and it's just ????!!! #look. gandalf's powers may be dialed down from olórin's but he is still a freaking maia #and gandalf lumping himself in with denethor??? i am compromised
anghraine: a man with long black hair and a ring on his hand (faramir [hair])
Occasionally, I see people defending Éowyn’s swerve from Aragorn to Faramir as a choice of ordinary life rather than dreams of glory, and I get it, and I wouldn’t completely deny that it’s there in some ways, but also, Faramir as representative of the ordinary is kind of hilarious to me?

Faramir: let’s just go grow gardens together thataways :)

*earlier*

Faramir: all this reminds me of the looming darkness when God sunk my ancestral homeland. It haunts my dreams.

Tagged: #*still earlier* gollum's mind is kind of unclear to my vision but i can see that he's lying about a specific location #also he's committed murder #no i'm not going to explain why it physically hurts him to lie to me #sam: you don't remind me of elves so much as ... like. wizards #faramir: thanks! it's that old magic ancestral homeland :) #ajkdjk i do love that he's this nearly peak númenórean type going around with his 24/7 zone of truth and then goes on about flowers #it's the most tolkien(tm) thing

anghraine: a man with long black hair and a ring on his hand (faramir [hair])
I’ve seen some fairly elaborate theories for why Faramir’s representation of Boromir in TTT seems fairly negative. And they’re fine and all, but I think they do tend to ignore two important things:

- Faramir is trying to extract information about how Boromir died from people potentially involved in his death

- Faramir is explicitly said to have believed that Boromir was the best!! ever!!!!!

Read more... )
anghraine: a man with long black hair and a ring on his hand (faramir [hair])
Still thinking about Faramir in TTT, and … okay, I appreciate his “war is not good in itself” and “I love my home but don’t want it enslaving other people’s” and “hell no to cursed objects” as much as anyone.

But one of my favourite moments, also, is when he’s trying to ferret out what happened to Boromir and is like … true, lots of bad things can happen on journeys! :)

Like being betrayed by your companions :) :) :)

I mean, I really feel like his capacity for friendly menace is severely overlooked. Sam's response to this is basically HOW DARE, and Faramir is just ... I haven't decided to kill you yet so maybe :) shut the fuck up :) :)
anghraine: artist's rendition of faramir; text: i would not take this thing if it lay by the highway (faramir)
Somewhere in my head there’s a longer post about this, but I feel that something overlooked about (bookverse) Faramir’s lines in TTT is that they are emerging from a very specific, very tense context.

It’s not that he doesn’t mean what he says. But ultimately he’s gathering information. He isn’t being friendly just because he’s nice. He’s being friendly because he’s trying to set Frodo and Sam at ease in order to find out (through various means) what’s going on now and what went on with the Fellowship.

Faramir is pleasant, and he rambles on about Gondorian history and his general philosophies in the middle of a warzone, and he freely acknowledges his people’s past and present weaknesses, and he chats about customs and Elves with Frodo and Sam, and he’s deciding whether to kill them or not.

What he says is true, but there’s purpose to what truths he chooses to tell.

Meanwhile, on Frodo and Sam’s side, their lives hang on what they say. I know some people feel the tension drops out in these scenes, but I’ve always felt that it actually rises—all the more with the contrast between Faramir’s manner and the threat he poses, right up until the moment that he refuses the Ring.
anghraine: a picture of a wooden chair with a regal white rod propped on the seat (stewards)
I’m still on this, so—

Faramir:

“Ah well, sir,” said Sam, “you said my master had an elvish air; and that was good and true. But I can say this: you have an air too, sir, that reminds me of, of—well, Gandalf, of wizards.

Denethor:

He turned his dark eyes on Gandalf, and now Pippin saw a likeness between the two, and he felt the strain between them, almost as if he saw a line of smouldering fire drawn from eye to eye, that might suddenly burst into flame.

!!!!!!!

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