anghraine: a shot of an enormous statue near a mountain from amazon's the rings of power (númenor [meneltarma])
An anon on Tumblr said:

First of all congrats on nearing the end of your PhD program!!! Woohoo!!!

Second of all, I’m muy late to the party here (been off tumblr for a bit) but WRT these tags ( https://www.tumblr.com/anghraine/749212904253947904/khazzman-tolkien-elendil-was-called-the ) what do you mean the pregnancies were strange lol how strange can they be…?


[The tags in question: #and that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how distinct and peculiar númenóreans are #fandom has slept on it for decades but they are reallyyyyyy unusual #they have weird pregnancies (and few of them) and horse telepathy and can rarely even get injured much less sick #there's this part where tolkien is trying to mathematically figure out elvish aging (hilarious tbh) and pencils in 'and númenóreans' #that's not even getting into the uncanny valley of númenórean kids...]

My reply:

As for the first point: Thank you! I'm really looking forwards to being done, lol.

As for the second point: anon, I delight in your innocence.

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anghraine: a shot of an enormous statue near a mountain from amazon's the rings of power (númenor [meneltarma])
[personal profile] jubaah responded to this post:

That has been my hc for so long i forgot it wasn’t actual canon tbh… I tend to imagine Númenoreans looking like whatever in general, but the people who go on to become Gondor to have the same Beorianelvish look…

I replied:

Yeah! I mean, I do think that the line about how Númenóreans gradually became near-indistinguishable from Elves refers to all Númenóreans, but that the specifically Bëorian, startling-to-other-Númenóreans variant is what’s going to lead to the Dúnedain of Arnor and Gondor.

(& I also think this is a great excuse to headcanon random Peredhil just being born and mingling with the locals in Andunie ;P)

I replied:

Yesss. The scarcity of peredhil is one of the things that’s hardest for me to accept in a worldbuilding sense—like, sure, requires a special destiny etc etc, and it’s not a huge problem or anything, but when I think about it, there’s so much contact that it kind of strains my imagination. Especially once they’re barely distinguishable and just hanging out together in the Andustar. I mean!!!

Shorter version: I love that headcanon! Elves and peredhil blending into the Andustar is just this mix of super charming and kind of hilarious to me, and it also makes for a fun headcanon in terms of the local culture and norms and such.

Erendis’s description has always brought Morwen Elfsheen to mind, too

I replied:

Right? I imagine her as … a bit less !!!!!!!!!! than Morwen but still a really similar physical type who’s striking in that kind of intimidating, Elvish way.
anghraine: a picture of a wooden chair with a regal white rod propped on the seat (stewards)
An anon asked:

Do you have any family trees for children and marriages in the Fourth Age? Or any other Tolkien expanded family trees?

I answered the first question here, but I also do have a Grand Unified Headcanon family tree here, with red lines where generations are skipped. There are a lot of stories/story concepts embedded into the tree, some inspired by or dependent on canon, and some just “hey, I’ve had an idea,” so … feel free to ask about anyone on it!

Tagged: #i know it's ... uh. a lot #but there it is!
anghraine: a man with long black hair and a ring on his hand (faramir [hair])
According to Wikipedia (I know, I know), all grey-eyed people actually have little splotches of different color in their eyes, even if you can’t really tell. I do, for instance!



Naturally, this makes me think of Tolkien and the 90% of his cast with grey eyes … do they have the splotches?

Is it special because they have improbably clear grey eyes or do they look more like most grey-eyed people IRL?

Is it more silver-grey or iron-grey?

Is there some range (blue-grey, green-grey, light grey, dark grey?), and that’s why it’s so noticeable when someone has the Super Special-type grey eyes?

I just have a lot of questions!!

Tagged: #this is a very deep post #but honestly i thought grey eyes were THE most boring thing to have until tolkien #and then having dark hair and grey eyes promptly became :D :D :D #i tragically don't have black/near-black hair like my parents but still #i wonder about éowyn's sea-grey eyes for instance #do we take that as blue-grey? stormy grey??? is it classic númenórean grey from morwen or typically rohirren grey?? #i choose to believe that some of the vast number of them have grey eyes like me of course
anghraine: a shot of an enormous statue near a mountain from amazon's the rings of power (númenor [meneltarma])
vardasvapors on Tumblr asked:

WAIT I FIGURED ONE OUT. One of your Tindomiel posts inspired me: do you have ideas about Elros's wife? (Imo one of the most wtf occurrences of unnamed women.) As a person, founding queen, wife, mother, sister-in-law, or whatever, any of the facets.


I replied:

I agree! It is definitely one of the most ????? omissions, and when it comes to Númenórean women, that’s saying a lot.

Rambling a bit:

I generally prefer to wiggle around canon rather than rejecting the unpleasant aspects of it, so I start with the fact that her absence is baffling. What might have kept her out of the historical record? Even a partial, male-dominated historical record?

Well, one possibility is that she had a normal lifespan, which in the historical view would make her… kind of a blip in Elros’ half a millennium of life. If so, Elros almost certainly married her well after establishing Númenor (SA 32), since their firstborn child was born twenty-nine years later (SA 61). In fact, it’s very possible that she herself was born on Númenor (though in that case, she could have a longer lifespan).

I also tend to assume she wasn’t that politically prominent (more Laura than Hillary, say—not that a US First Lady is like a Queen of Númenor, but you get the idea). I don’t just mean in terms of her own conduct, but her family. We do occasionally hear something when the queen’s family is notable: Almarian’s father was captain of the ships, Erendis’ was a descendant of the lords of the house of Bëor, Inzilbêth was the Lord of Andúnië’s niece. So I’m thinking that her own background was not particularly exceptional.

Another detail I find interesting is her four children’s names. One is clearly named after Elros’ family (Tindómiel, the ‘morning star,’ obviously refers to Eärendil). One seems a vaguer reference to the Edain. But the other two, including the firstborn son, are named for the Valar. Considering that one or both of the other children are connected to Elros, I kind of like the idea that she was the one behind Vardamir and Manwendil. So I’m envisioning her as an intense devotee of the Valar, particularly Elbereth (it is the firstborn named for Elbereth, the third for Manwë).

Also for consideration: her eldest, Vardamir, was a dedicated scholar with zero interest in politics. He took the name Nolimon, something like ‘loremaster.’ That doesn’t necessarily reflect on his mother, but it’s something to consider, particularly given her apparent obscurity.

So: I tend to envision her as a bookish type like her son, and also like him, largely disinterested in public life. Originally, she could be a wise-woman à la Adanel—odds are that she’s also Hadorian. She’s a dedicated scholar and profoundly devout in her veneration of the Valar, particularly Elbereth.


anghraine: choppy water on a misty day (sea)
kungfunurse on Tumblr asked:

Hiya! I’ve got a LOTR question and I’m hoping you can help me - when I read ROtK I’d assumed that Arwen’s life would be the same length as Aragorn‘s. In Peter Jackson’s movies it seemed like she would live on in grief for ever into the modern age. That doesn’t seem very mortal to me? Like if she’s gonna be alive that long why doesn’t she hop on Legolas and Gimli’s boat and head to the undying lands with them? What’s the best way to interpret Arwen’s lifespan? Thanks!!


I replied:

No problem! In “The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen,” Arwen leaves Gondor after Aragorn’s death, goes to Lothlórien, and dies there before the following spring. She’s not immortal.

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