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May. 21st, 2024 07:57 amIt was, by and large, a fun and tense episode in a lot of ways.
The Adora-Glimmer tension over Shadow Weaver is interesting … on the one hand, I really like the Glimmer-Shadow Weaver dynamic, and on the other, I think Adora’s reservations are extremely well grounded in who Shadow Weaver is as a person and in her personal experiences of her.
I mean, Adora conceded that Shadow Weaver did “mom stuff” way back in the not!ghost episode, and Shadow Weaver’s manipulation and general approach to Catra and Adora from early childhood was obviously abusive (in different ways, but abusive). And nobody around Adora really seems to care about this? They care about her, sure, but not about her having her abuser living under the same roof with increasing freedom of movement and influence. She has every reason to be upset tbh.
Tagged: #i'm really entertained by sw honestly but i love adora and want her to have all the hugs #this is the opposite of hugs!
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May. 20th, 2024 08:31 amI was also just thinking about Adora talking about how Shadow Weaver taught her to read and tie her boots and told her ghost stories … like, that honestly just makes her awfulness (re: both, though of course especially Catra) even worse. The whole dynamic actually reminds me a lot of Ozai-Zuko-Azula, with Zuko and Azula’s roles swapped, but she’s a lot more interesting than Ozai tbh.
Tagged: #shadow weaver #i usually tag villains by their names and not pseudonyms but uhhhh. let's just go shadow weaver
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May. 18th, 2024 02:55 pmme: I’d love it, but … ?
dad: I want to support ArenaNet.
me: ?????
dad: So that they keep running GW1!
me: …ah.
Tagged: #aedf;addk i love prophecies too #but there is something purely and unswervingly dad-ish about his devotion that i can't quite aspire to #(i'm a weakling who likes being able to jump :P)
More Tolkien factoids!
May. 16th, 2024 09:32 amI managed to integrate a lot of tangents into last night's infodump on Númenórean pregnancy because it turned up so many interesting sort-of related things, but there were STILL MORE details that I couldn't work in but was delighted in various ways by. A list:
1. Tolkien struggled to make the Maeglin story work with the developmental scheme he was trying to mathematically pin down for Elves, given that Maeglin's history requires him to be born much later than most of the other Elves of his generation. Tolkien concluded that Maeglin had to be an adult, but that he would have been very young in Elvish terms, and this is part of the reason Idril was so unsettled by his interest in her. He wasn't a literal child but he was kind of a kid from Idril's POV.
2. SPEAKING of Maeglin's history, another idea Tolkien came up with to deal with the Maeglin problem was the idea that Maeglin actually isn't that much younger, but instead, Aredhel was either persuaded or trapped by Eöl before ever reaching Aman! In this case, the "Dark Elf" descriptor for Eöl would have no racial subtext whatsoever—Eöl would not be Avari or Sindarin at all, but another Noldo who refused to finish the journey to Valinor and thus never saw the light of the Two Trees. The implication of Noldorin Exiles calling him "Dark Elf" is less "Sinda" and more "loser."
3. Tolkien makes a couple of errors in trying to figure out the math. Some of those mistakes are the math, or at least numerical (Arwen's birth year gave him a lot of trouble, more on this further down), but he also does things like mixing up Elenwë and Anairë at one point. IDK, there's so much hagiography in Tolkien discourse that it's kind of endearing to see him making ordinary writerly mistakes.
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1. Tolkien struggled to make the Maeglin story work with the developmental scheme he was trying to mathematically pin down for Elves, given that Maeglin's history requires him to be born much later than most of the other Elves of his generation. Tolkien concluded that Maeglin had to be an adult, but that he would have been very young in Elvish terms, and this is part of the reason Idril was so unsettled by his interest in her. He wasn't a literal child but he was kind of a kid from Idril's POV.
2. SPEAKING of Maeglin's history, another idea Tolkien came up with to deal with the Maeglin problem was the idea that Maeglin actually isn't that much younger, but instead, Aredhel was either persuaded or trapped by Eöl before ever reaching Aman! In this case, the "Dark Elf" descriptor for Eöl would have no racial subtext whatsoever—Eöl would not be Avari or Sindarin at all, but another Noldo who refused to finish the journey to Valinor and thus never saw the light of the Two Trees. The implication of Noldorin Exiles calling him "Dark Elf" is less "Sinda" and more "loser."
3. Tolkien makes a couple of errors in trying to figure out the math. Some of those mistakes are the math, or at least numerical (Arwen's birth year gave him a lot of trouble, more on this further down), but he also does things like mixing up Elenwë and Anairë at one point. IDK, there's so much hagiography in Tolkien discourse that it's kind of endearing to see him making ordinary writerly mistakes.
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May. 15th, 2024 11:03 amperson: the lore isn’t great, but the mechanics are
me, someone who has written 90k of fic driven by raw frustration with GW2′s treatment of lore: HOW DARE
Tagged: #the treatment of the first major event in the whole series is SO BAD in gw2 and yet i'm super defensive of it anyway #eternal fave
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May. 14th, 2024 09:33 amOrdinarily, I work on my pet projects over 5-10 years. Sometimes I don’t care if people like them, to be sure. But sometimes I do! And just shrugging off the response to something I’ve dedicated a substantial chunk of my life to—whether it’s fanfic or original—is just, nope.
Tagged: #and the longer it takes to finish things (always pretty damn long) the more i feel like this #sure i have other stories in me #but each one matters and the decade plus ones PARTICULARLY matter #so nah i'm just going to angst over the ones whose reception i care about #(though thinking about it ... my most popular fic ever is one whose reception i didn't really care that much about #which feels like a lesson i should learn or some kind of personal challenge or something but NAH. CHALLENGE REJECTED)
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May. 14th, 2024 08:34 am(There is a discussion to be had about extending “fanfic” beyond 20th/21st century fan culture, but that sure as hell isn’t it.)
Tagged: #a) plenty of early modern literature was bad and using only the most ~elite for purposes of comparison is actively dishonest #b) the sneering almost never defines what fanfic even is or why highly derivative early modern fiction is different
[ETA 5/14/2024: heh, the tags are basically a primordial version of this longer and more detailed post I finally broke down and made less than a month ago.]
I've got a lot of P&P hills to die on, but two ideas I will absolutely reject to the end of time:
1. Darcy or Elizabeth has a redemption arc.
Character growth is not redemption. Even while depicting their parallel character arcs, Austen emphasizes the extent to which they remain essentially the same people in terms of their basic flaws (e.g. Elizabeth's continued misjudgments via reductive schemas, Darcy's cold standoffishness upon his return to Hertfordshire), but also that they were always unusually good people despite their fuck-ups and overall arcs of improvement.
2. Darcy/Elizabeth is enemies to lovers.
There's a window of time when Elizabeth genuinely hates Darcy, though even then I don't think she regards him as her enemy. Darcy does not ever hate her or regard her as an enemy, he just initially doesn't like her or find her attractive. One-sided veiled hostility towards a social acquaintance is not enemies to lovers material, sorry.
1. Darcy or Elizabeth has a redemption arc.
Character growth is not redemption. Even while depicting their parallel character arcs, Austen emphasizes the extent to which they remain essentially the same people in terms of their basic flaws (e.g. Elizabeth's continued misjudgments via reductive schemas, Darcy's cold standoffishness upon his return to Hertfordshire), but also that they were always unusually good people despite their fuck-ups and overall arcs of improvement.
2. Darcy/Elizabeth is enemies to lovers.
There's a window of time when Elizabeth genuinely hates Darcy, though even then I don't think she regards him as her enemy. Darcy does not ever hate her or regard her as an enemy, he just initially doesn't like her or find her attractive. One-sided veiled hostility towards a social acquaintance is not enemies to lovers material, sorry.
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May. 9th, 2024 10:53 pmI’m completely immovable on this point, so why I keep getting these videos is a mystery.
#i mean #at least the recs evolved from 'racist and misogynistic takes on tolkien' and 'dudebros whining about star wars' #to just inane shit #(okay and she-ra fanvids) #(but that is not a mystery lol)
[ETA 5/9/2024: this has completely disappeared from the algorithm over the last couple of years, which I find mildly interesting as a phenomenon! People asked if I was thinking of one specific YouTuber and I wasn't, I just kept getting recced this kind of thing.]
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May. 9th, 2024 09:39 amIn response to this post,
elperian said:
there is that line where jane says ‘nothing could give either bingley or myself more delight. but we considered it, we talked of [lizzy and darcy] as impossible.’ so they do have a textual convo offscreen - but it’s about l/d which is funny in its own way
I replied:
Yeah, that’s what I meant when I said that it’s not that they don’t speak to each other in-story—they must have spoken on numerous occasions, of course, including those ones. It’s that Austen doesn’t bother showing any of those conversations in dialogue (unless I’m misremembering), which I think is fairly suggestive about the novel’s priorities.
rorylgilmore responded [on 5 Jan 2023]:
#same. i don't get it #i like the character of jane #but i'm confused whenever p&p is made to be about the two sisters and their romances as if it was s&s #(yet another reason i'm not on board with grouping all austen novels together) #we don't know enough about jane/bingley to be as invested (from my perspective at least) #still to each their own
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there is that line where jane says ‘nothing could give either bingley or myself more delight. but we considered it, we talked of [lizzy and darcy] as impossible.’ so they do have a textual convo offscreen - but it’s about l/d which is funny in its own way
I replied:
Yeah, that’s what I meant when I said that it’s not that they don’t speak to each other in-story—they must have spoken on numerous occasions, of course, including those ones. It’s that Austen doesn’t bother showing any of those conversations in dialogue (unless I’m misremembering), which I think is fairly suggestive about the novel’s priorities.
rorylgilmore responded [on 5 Jan 2023]:
#same. i don't get it #i like the character of jane #but i'm confused whenever p&p is made to be about the two sisters and their romances as if it was s&s #(yet another reason i'm not on board with grouping all austen novels together) #we don't know enough about jane/bingley to be as invested (from my perspective at least) #still to each their own
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May. 2nd, 2024 08:48 amAn anon asked:
Love what you write about Darcy/Elizabeth! Just curious, what do you think of Jane/Bingley? Do you think they would be a good couple?
I replied:
Thank you very much!
For Jane/Bingley, I think it depends on what you mean by “good.” They’ll be … fine, I think? There’s no real reason for them not to be.
But—well, I’m pretty resistant to the versions/interpretations of Jane/Bingley that I see now and then that are like, “well, actually, they’re very compelling as written and it’s suggested they would have a complex, ultra-passionate relationship!” Different people find different things interesting, of course, and have different headcanons, but … we never really see them interact and IIRC they don’t exchange a single line of dialogue. It’s hard for me to latch onto that as anything but plot and characterization device.
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Love what you write about Darcy/Elizabeth! Just curious, what do you think of Jane/Bingley? Do you think they would be a good couple?
I replied:
Thank you very much!
For Jane/Bingley, I think it depends on what you mean by “good.” They’ll be … fine, I think? There’s no real reason for them not to be.
But—well, I’m pretty resistant to the versions/interpretations of Jane/Bingley that I see now and then that are like, “well, actually, they’re very compelling as written and it’s suggested they would have a complex, ultra-passionate relationship!” Different people find different things interesting, of course, and have different headcanons, but … we never really see them interact and IIRC they don’t exchange a single line of dialogue. It’s hard for me to latch onto that as anything but plot and characterization device.
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Apr. 30th, 2024 05:20 pmThere’s a ton I need to do, so obviously this is the point at which my space bar starts sticking.
bramblebreath said:
Dude I thought this was a blackout poem until the last 4 words.
tree said:
i came here to say that someone's going to look at this and declare it a poem but i see i've been anticipated. *innocent whistling*
[ETA 4/30/2024: This somehow got 28 reblogs, which isn't a ton, but was certainly baffling in the context of my extremely trivial post. However, the whole Internet past time of telling people "I thought you meant X until I read further and realized you meant Y" is something I find baffling, so.]
bramblebreath said:
Dude I thought this was a blackout poem until the last 4 words.
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i came here to say that someone's going to look at this and declare it a poem but i see i've been anticipated. *innocent whistling*
[ETA 4/30/2024: This somehow got 28 reblogs, which isn't a ton, but was certainly baffling in the context of my extremely trivial post. However, the whole Internet past time of telling people "I thought you meant X until I read further and realized you meant Y" is something I find baffling, so.]
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Apr. 30th, 2024 09:50 amEspecially (though not exclusively) when it comes to her main characters, her good people aren’t good because they just had the innate moral fortitude to shrug off their upbringings or the things that have happened to them, which seems to be a lot of people’s idea of goodness. Austen main characters are good people and they’re impacted by their experiences and have qualities (often flaws) that clearly arise more out of upbringing than any essential underlying characteristic. Goodness isn’t just about super-resilience, but neither is experience wholly defining.
It’s not at all restricted to Austen, of course, but even now (…particularly now), it’s so refreshing.
Tagged: #i'm so tired of the resilience narrative or blank slate narrative #and i was thinking of how elizabeth/darcy is one of comparatively few ships i'm really into where the characters #are just about squeaky clean—and i think part of it (aside of their general magnificence lol) is it's not a magic resilience thing at all #she is extremely clear about the ways in which they have been influenced—mostly for the worse—by their experiences #they're allowed to be good AND to be affected by their lives in natural ways #shouldn't be as refreshing as it is but it's one of the things i keep going back for
[ETA 4/30/2024: I was also thinking about Mr Collins, of all people—Austen doesn't justify him in any way, obviously, but also doesn't try to pretend that his upbringing and history aren't what made him who he is. The effects of education, upbringing, and general history on people's characters and morals are a constant preoccupation of her books, IMO.]
Most used tags!
Apr. 29th, 2024 09:17 amDigging up the links to so many DW tags got me wondering what tags I've actually used more than any others over here. It will probably look different after I'm done cross-posting, and maybe I'll check again then. But as of right now, the evening of 29 April 2024, this is every tag I've used over 100 times since my first post on 19 July 2009—
A. Tags used over 500 times:
1. #site: tumblr
This is far and away my most commonly used tag (used 1739 times), mainly because I've been cross-posting old Tumblr posts to Dreamwidth for years now, but also because I use it for every post referring to basically anything going on at Tumblr as well as the cross-posts.
2. #fandom: star wars
This feels like the "real" #1 tag, used 668 times and beating out all other fandoms (and indeed, everything). I suspect this is partly because I got into SW after making my DW account, but at a time when journal fandom was still quite active, so one of my most intense periods of SW fannishness was based here (or synced with lj, so the content is here as well). And then when you add in SW cross-posts and "overflow" material from Tumblr once Disney SW got kicking, especially after Rogue One, it's enough for the SW tag to jump ahead of every other tag but the Tumblr one.
3. #genre: meta
I periodically whine about feeling like I'm perceived more as a meta writer than a fic writer, even though I care more about fic and derive far more joy from it ... but I've tagged 667 posts with the meta tag and far less with any fic-related tag. In fairness, I originally conceived as "meta" as basically any post talking about a canon or fandom that wasn't fic, no matter how abrupt, so things I wouldn't really describe as "meta" these days fell under the tag until pretty recently. Even so, I've posted a lot more serious meta than fic!
4. #fandom: austen
The only surprise here is that this one wasn't even higher. I've tagged 640 posts with it over the years, and if you've followed me on Tumblr for awhile, you know there's only more coming. I'm pretty sure it'll beat out SW in the end for sheer quantity.
5. #fandom: middle-earth
While the previous three tags are clustered pretty closely together, there's a jump from the 640 Austen posts to a mere 505 Tolkien posts. This is partly because a bunch of my Tolkien stuff never made it onto Dreamwidth (that is, it happened on sites that are now dead or on lj before Dreamwidth was ever founded, or much later, was posted over at Tumblr and much of it hasn't made its way back over here). It's still one of my biggest fandoms, obviously; SW, Austen, and Tolkien will probably always be the Big Three for me.
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A. Tags used over 500 times:
1. #site: tumblr
This is far and away my most commonly used tag (used 1739 times), mainly because I've been cross-posting old Tumblr posts to Dreamwidth for years now, but also because I use it for every post referring to basically anything going on at Tumblr as well as the cross-posts.
2. #fandom: star wars
This feels like the "real" #1 tag, used 668 times and beating out all other fandoms (and indeed, everything). I suspect this is partly because I got into SW after making my DW account, but at a time when journal fandom was still quite active, so one of my most intense periods of SW fannishness was based here (or synced with lj, so the content is here as well). And then when you add in SW cross-posts and "overflow" material from Tumblr once Disney SW got kicking, especially after Rogue One, it's enough for the SW tag to jump ahead of every other tag but the Tumblr one.
3. #genre: meta
I periodically whine about feeling like I'm perceived more as a meta writer than a fic writer, even though I care more about fic and derive far more joy from it ... but I've tagged 667 posts with the meta tag and far less with any fic-related tag. In fairness, I originally conceived as "meta" as basically any post talking about a canon or fandom that wasn't fic, no matter how abrupt, so things I wouldn't really describe as "meta" these days fell under the tag until pretty recently. Even so, I've posted a lot more serious meta than fic!
4. #fandom: austen
The only surprise here is that this one wasn't even higher. I've tagged 640 posts with it over the years, and if you've followed me on Tumblr for awhile, you know there's only more coming. I'm pretty sure it'll beat out SW in the end for sheer quantity.
5. #fandom: middle-earth
While the previous three tags are clustered pretty closely together, there's a jump from the 640 Austen posts to a mere 505 Tolkien posts. This is partly because a bunch of my Tolkien stuff never made it onto Dreamwidth (that is, it happened on sites that are now dead or on lj before Dreamwidth was ever founded, or much later, was posted over at Tumblr and much of it hasn't made its way back over here). It's still one of my biggest fandoms, obviously; SW, Austen, and Tolkien will probably always be the Big Three for me.
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Apr. 28th, 2024 06:24 pmI’ve gotten a bunch of new followers recently and I’m not sure why—but regardless, hi!
[ETA 4/28/2024: I'm cross-posting this one mainly for record-keeping purposes, though I've added Dreamwidth-relevant clarifications in brackets. I've also been recently fixing, consolidating, and adding some DW tags for a more consistent system over here, so some older posts are only under the tags for the relevant fandoms and characters rather than the specific book, show, or film they're referencing. Anything Austen-related is under #fandom: austen, say, but many of my older Pride and Prejudice-specific posts don't have the P&P tag because I instituted the specific tag more recently.]
Run-down: my name is Elizabeth and I’m a 30-odd, US American PhD student. I study 16th-, 17th-, and 18th-century British literature, primarily 18th [ETA: and early seventeenth, these days]. I also kind of hate academia at this point, lol, so you’ll see a lot of complaining about it unless you block #ivory tower blogging [DW tag: #uni and academia for anything related to academia, while #complaining covers exactly what you'd expect].
I talk reasonably often about mental health issues; I have autism, bipolar II, and anxiety, and my general tag is #rare breed of attack unicorn [DW tag: the same; I also tend to tag the specific disorders more often over here, since I don't have to worry about them going into a site-wide autism tag or whatnot; e.g., posts about anxiety are tagged with both #rare breed of attack unicorn and #anxiety].
I write original fiction in addition to fanfic and angst about it; the tag is #original fic rambles [DW tag: #original fiction, though plenty of it is either locked or under a different account], and vaguer or more general writing stuff is just #writing [DW tag: the same]. Rambling about my fanfic is under #fic talk [DW tag: #genre: fic talk, usually accompanied by a specific tag for the fic or verse, such as #fic talk: lucy skywalker for my f!Luke Skywalker fics].
My main fandoms and other tags include:
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[ETA 4/28/2024: I'm cross-posting this one mainly for record-keeping purposes, though I've added Dreamwidth-relevant clarifications in brackets. I've also been recently fixing, consolidating, and adding some DW tags for a more consistent system over here, so some older posts are only under the tags for the relevant fandoms and characters rather than the specific book, show, or film they're referencing. Anything Austen-related is under #fandom: austen, say, but many of my older Pride and Prejudice-specific posts don't have the P&P tag because I instituted the specific tag more recently.]
Run-down: my name is Elizabeth and I’m a 30-odd, US American PhD student. I study 16th-, 17th-, and 18th-century British literature, primarily 18th [ETA: and early seventeenth, these days]. I also kind of hate academia at this point, lol, so you’ll see a lot of complaining about it unless you block #ivory tower blogging [DW tag: #uni and academia for anything related to academia, while #complaining covers exactly what you'd expect].
I talk reasonably often about mental health issues; I have autism, bipolar II, and anxiety, and my general tag is #rare breed of attack unicorn [DW tag: the same; I also tend to tag the specific disorders more often over here, since I don't have to worry about them going into a site-wide autism tag or whatnot; e.g., posts about anxiety are tagged with both #rare breed of attack unicorn and #anxiety].
I write original fiction in addition to fanfic and angst about it; the tag is #original fic rambles [DW tag: #original fiction, though plenty of it is either locked or under a different account], and vaguer or more general writing stuff is just #writing [DW tag: the same]. Rambling about my fanfic is under #fic talk [DW tag: #genre: fic talk, usually accompanied by a specific tag for the fic or verse, such as #fic talk: lucy skywalker for my f!Luke Skywalker fics].
My main fandoms and other tags include:
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Class & Austen (with a side of Godwin)
Apr. 26th, 2024 11:35 amI've been thinking about ways in which Austen criticism has often fallen down wrt class analysis. Back in the 90s Julia Prewitt Brown wrote a "review" that is actually a guided tour through the failings of feminist analysis of Austen due to many things, but one of them was a failure of substantive class analysis in terms of gender. But I still see a lot of what she was talking about in both academia and more fandom or pop culture oriented interpretations—I'm inclined to think particularly when it comes from a contemporary US perspective.
I have way more thoughts about this than I have time to articulate, but I think US fans and academics in particular (though not exclusively) struggle to understand class in Austen's novels or other literature of the time in a way that is not simplified and enormously dependent on largely unfamiliar formal or legal categories rather than complex, sometimes contradictory or unpredictable, highly, highly striated structures that a quick consult of population breakdowns or tables of precedence is not going to explain. And at the same time, I think we (speaking as a US American!) often focus on the more (to us) exotic elements of 18th and early 19th-century British class dynamics rather than analyzing those dynamics in terms of class interests. These interests aren't purely financial (the understanding of class priorities purely in direct financial terms also seems very much a US perspective on it—maybe not exclusively again, idk).
Easy example, but: analysis of class in P&P tends to focus overwhelmingly on questions of exact legal status, precedence and large-scale categories (military, clergy, gentry, upper vs lower servants...), and reported income. And those things matter, for sure. But this tends to neglect how the characters perceive their own class interests (and how accurate their perception may or may not be), who their "natural" allies are, what larger social structures they benefit from or fail to benefit from (again, not only financially, though also that), their conflicts and alliances. Anne de Bourgh and Charlotte Lucas likely have either the same or quite similar ranks in formalized terms before Charlotte's marriage (as daughters of knights*) and are just about exact contemporaries, but the class structures around them are very different in ways that extend even beyond Anne's vast inheritance and Charlotte's lack of one. The image of Charlotte standing in the cold wind while a closely supervised Anne talks at her from her phaeton without any awareness of Charlotte's possible discomfort makes this seem especially stark.
This is even more glaringly apparent in something like William Godwin's Caleb Williams, in which the terrifying, relentless extent of aristocratic power over common people is represented by a country squire with six thousand a year. Legally that squire, Falkland, is no less a commoner than Caleb himself (relatedly, every member of the extended Fitzwilliam family appearing in P&P are also legally commoners). But that doesn't tell you anything about the sheer degree of power afforded Falkland and what six thousand a year signifies beyond direct buying power (that is very wealthy for the country gentry of the 1790s; it turns out a major part of his income, significantly, derives from slave plantations rather than his property in England; moreover, Falkland is able to bring power to bear everywhere Caleb goes in a way that only partly involves direct purchases).
I do seriously have to go write other things, but I wanted to get some part of this out of my head before I forget.
*Anne de Bourgh could be the daughter of a baronet rather than a knight, and thus higher-ranking than Charlotte in terms of strict precedence, but a) the distinction in precedence is so unimportant to understanding what she represents in class terms that we aren't told, and b) Sir Lewis is more likely to have been a knight than baronet IMO from what contextual information we do have.
I have way more thoughts about this than I have time to articulate, but I think US fans and academics in particular (though not exclusively) struggle to understand class in Austen's novels or other literature of the time in a way that is not simplified and enormously dependent on largely unfamiliar formal or legal categories rather than complex, sometimes contradictory or unpredictable, highly, highly striated structures that a quick consult of population breakdowns or tables of precedence is not going to explain. And at the same time, I think we (speaking as a US American!) often focus on the more (to us) exotic elements of 18th and early 19th-century British class dynamics rather than analyzing those dynamics in terms of class interests. These interests aren't purely financial (the understanding of class priorities purely in direct financial terms also seems very much a US perspective on it—maybe not exclusively again, idk).
Easy example, but: analysis of class in P&P tends to focus overwhelmingly on questions of exact legal status, precedence and large-scale categories (military, clergy, gentry, upper vs lower servants...), and reported income. And those things matter, for sure. But this tends to neglect how the characters perceive their own class interests (and how accurate their perception may or may not be), who their "natural" allies are, what larger social structures they benefit from or fail to benefit from (again, not only financially, though also that), their conflicts and alliances. Anne de Bourgh and Charlotte Lucas likely have either the same or quite similar ranks in formalized terms before Charlotte's marriage (as daughters of knights*) and are just about exact contemporaries, but the class structures around them are very different in ways that extend even beyond Anne's vast inheritance and Charlotte's lack of one. The image of Charlotte standing in the cold wind while a closely supervised Anne talks at her from her phaeton without any awareness of Charlotte's possible discomfort makes this seem especially stark.
This is even more glaringly apparent in something like William Godwin's Caleb Williams, in which the terrifying, relentless extent of aristocratic power over common people is represented by a country squire with six thousand a year. Legally that squire, Falkland, is no less a commoner than Caleb himself (relatedly, every member of the extended Fitzwilliam family appearing in P&P are also legally commoners). But that doesn't tell you anything about the sheer degree of power afforded Falkland and what six thousand a year signifies beyond direct buying power (that is very wealthy for the country gentry of the 1790s; it turns out a major part of his income, significantly, derives from slave plantations rather than his property in England; moreover, Falkland is able to bring power to bear everywhere Caleb goes in a way that only partly involves direct purchases).
I do seriously have to go write other things, but I wanted to get some part of this out of my head before I forget.
*Anne de Bourgh could be the daughter of a baronet rather than a knight, and thus higher-ranking than Charlotte in terms of strict precedence, but a) the distinction in precedence is so unimportant to understanding what she represents in class terms that we aren't told, and b) Sir Lewis is more likely to have been a knight than baronet IMO from what contextual information we do have.
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Apr. 25th, 2024 05:32 pmeloonie responded to this post:
Its 2020 and id pay good money for another P&P movie (one without zombies please)
elperian said:
we're finally getting another persuasion adaptation (not that weird looking modern au but an actual regency one!!! lady directed!!!) and my hope is that p&p is next on the list. it has been 84 years....
I replied:
lmao, right?
[ETA 4/25/2024: oh lord, what a monkey's paw! We can only hope that Netflix's plan to do P&P à la their Persuasion has fallen through.]
Its 2020 and id pay good money for another P&P movie (one without zombies please)
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we're finally getting another persuasion adaptation (not that weird looking modern au but an actual regency one!!! lady directed!!!) and my hope is that p&p is next on the list. it has been 84 years....
I replied:
lmao, right?
[ETA 4/25/2024: oh lord, what a monkey's paw! We can only hope that Netflix's plan to do P&P à la their Persuasion has fallen through.]
Tumblr crosspost (2 February 2021)
Apr. 25th, 2024 05:27 pmI thirst for another direct P&P adaptation. T_T
Tagged: #there is other austen and even other regency coming out #'other' regency anyway #but at the end of the day my great love is pride and prejudice #and i want something new! #i know i know some people only get one adaptation of their fave ever if at all #and it might have major issues (*cough*) #but i'm petulant and spoiled so /shrug #look. it's pride and prejudice. do something vaguely interesting and print the money #(i was going to say a straight adaptation but i mean like... not zombies or someone's glorified fanfic #not 'heterosexual' #f/f pride and prejudice would be amazing if done remotely right ... /sigh) #imagine ... new gifsets ...
Tagged: #there is other austen and even other regency coming out #'other' regency anyway #but at the end of the day my great love is pride and prejudice #and i want something new! #i know i know some people only get one adaptation of their fave ever if at all #and it might have major issues (*cough*) #but i'm petulant and spoiled so /shrug #look. it's pride and prejudice. do something vaguely interesting and print the money #(i was going to say a straight adaptation but i mean like... not zombies or someone's glorified fanfic #not 'heterosexual' #f/f pride and prejudice would be amazing if done remotely right ... /sigh) #imagine ... new gifsets ...
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Apr. 23rd, 2024 06:25 pma) Arvedui claimed the throne of Gondor as not only the son-in-law of the previous king of Gondor, but as heir of Isildur … while his own father was still alive
or
b) The Númenórean fleet that saved the Elves is supposed to be sent by Tar-Minastir, but was actually sent under Tar-Telperiën.
Tagged: #hatred or love? hmm can't choose
[ETA 4/23/2024: I don't hate either of these facts, to be clear; I hate Arvedui and love Telperiën.]